robert mcnamara and donald rumsfeld the most obvious examples. by most judgment, gates has been extraordinarily successful, perhaps the most successful ever. i will throw in another name, robert lubbock. if you don't know who that is, go to the website and find out. think about gates' successes. he helped set course for the surge in iraq, of course, that was george w. bush's policy decision. he organized a strategic review of our of afghanistan. he has proposed reoriented defense spending to shift the priorities away from high-tech, high-cost weapons toward battlefield equipment, manpower and intelligence. in other words, the stuff our soldiers need to fight the wars we're actually engaged in. as we watch gates, you'll get a sense of why he does well. he exudes a quiet confidence but he has his ego firmly in check. he's smart, thoughtful, focused, disciplined. but as you'll see in the interview he's remarkably frank about challenges. i heard things i hadn't heard before. listen carefully to what he said four months ago about sending more troops to

. >> the pentagon papers -- i remember when robert mcnamara was here, i asked if he had ever read the pentagon papers and he told me they were in his garage and he said he had never read them. >> that may be true. i think his conscience may have drawn him to read parts of it. he knew we were to publish it. >> yet you were -- you admitted to leaking those papers? >> belzberg -- dan salzberg copy the papers. > >> as i am reading this, i am wondering who told you this stuff. >> this is another thing. then separate together a more -- prevents more -- vince moore had put together a a memoir which she let me have. >> never published? >> never published. it never will be published. it is well over 1000 pubs -- 1000 pages. >> did you read the whole thing? >> i read the whole thing. >> as a matter of fact, there is a quote. you said that he wrote this in his diary. "termites in the woodwork." >> yes. they were restricted to half an hour and were not to mention the letter was sent to the president to pressure him. bernard realized that this man was not in favor of the program. his term for that

robert mcnamara and donald rumsfeld being the two most obvious examples. by most people's judgment, gates has been extraordinarily successful. perhaps the most successful ever. i will throw in another name, robert lubbock. if you don't know who that is, go to our website right now and find out. anyway, think about gates' successes. he helped set course for the surge in iraq, of course, that was george w. bush's policy decision. he organized a strategic review of afghanistan. ordered a change in command to try to fix the problems there. he has proposed reoriented defense spending to shift the priorities away from high-tech, high-cost weapons toward battlefield equipment, manpower and intelligence. in other words, the stuff our soldiers need to fight the wars we're actually engaged in. as you watch gates, you'll get a sense of why he does well. he exudes a quiet confidence but he has his ego firmly in check. he's smart, thoughtful, focused, disciplined. but as you'll see in the interview, he's remarkably frank about the changs he faces. in fact, i heard thing

. >> i remember when robert mcnamara was here. i asked him whether or not he had ever read the pentagon papers. he told me they were in his garage. he said he never read the papers. >> that may be true. i'm not sure that's true. >> because? >> because i think his conscious may have drawn him to reading parts of in the case. he knew we were going to publish it. >> you've admit who had leaked the papers? >> [inaudible] >> let me go back to this narrative for this book. >> a long, complicated story. >> you write -- page 289. vince ford and berl proceeded him to the white house. as i'm reading this, i'm saying to myself, how did he get this stuff. who told you this stuff? >> this is another important thing. vince ford had put together a memoir. vince fords with a colonel who worked first for shriever and then for gardner. ford had written using schreiver's papers, a memoir which he let me have. a copy. of it is a huge man script. >> never published? >> never published. it never will be published. it's well over 1,000 pages. >> and let