japan and the now you're dead and john do you think they were right and those even there he was robert mcnamara said that wait a second let me finish and then the united states started a war and vietnam laos cambodia come on now this is a ruthless empire and you can turn it i mean john but history just and go. let's not judge sir john wait a second i mean you look at china's history no no no wait a second you look at china's history you look at china as i have said a word saying anybody who tries to china definitely no. no no no wait a second i mean you know china is never the way to lasting love i mean let me elaine in washington wait a second the last yes. yes the last thing i would say is that the u.s. you know has been you know. meaning fellow throughout its history look at real that you know they're going to a certain extent that's ok but they're not about let's go wait and see i can't about this just because the u.s. is going to be like timer does not mean that about it human rights and that sort of thing has nothing to do with us foreign policy henry kissinger says that stephen walt says

even larry he was robert mcnamara said that wait a second let me finish and then the united states started a war and vietnam laos cambodia come on now this is a ruthless empire and you can turn it over it i mean john but history just go away . let's not judge sir john wait a second i mean you look at china's history no no wait a second you look at china's history you look at china as i've said the words and anybody who crosses you know shannon effort. no no no wait a second i mean you know china has never been a lasting love i mean let me a little in washington just like in the last yes. yes the last thing i would say is that the u.s. you know has been you know. meaning fellow throughout its history look at. prince that's ok but if they're not about let's go ahead and say hans about this just because the u.s. is going to be like does not mean that about it human rights and that sort of thing has nothing to do with us foreign policy henry kissinger says that stephen walt says that john mearsheimer says that it's absurd to sack only only dissociated academic those none would believe in the s

later that robert mcnamara the joint chiefs of staff under kennedy actually proposed and it was rejected thankfully by the president but i mean if you think about how it went all the way up in the chain of command all the way the president himself calling to do a false flag operation the us exactly revoke cuba or basically to galvanize the public to support a normal i would say is one of those things that's about as terrifying as it can be in terms of revealing documents and what's even more terrifying is that we would have never even heard about it were not like you said for all of one thousand nine hundred one film j.f.k. it kind of galvanized all this uproar for people demanding to see the documents over what really happened and what they found while they're going through all these documents is the kennedy administration's kind of fixation with toppling the castro regime and what they found was that the cia operations northwoods was planning to not only hijack planes blow up an american ship blow up a military barracks in a number of other false flag activities that they. didn't happe

know if we have that article to throw but it is a document was declassified decades later that robert mcnamara the joint chiefs of staff under kennedy actually proposed it it was rejected thankfully by the president but i mean if you think about how it went all the way up in the chain of command all the way the president himself calling to do a false flag operation in the u.s. exactly her vocal cuba or basically to galvanize the public to support a norm is one of those things that's that's about as terrifying as it can be in terms of revealing documents and what's even more terrifying is that we would have never even heard about it were not like you said for all of her stone's one thousand nine hundred one film j.f.k. it kind of galvanized all this uproar for people demanding to see the documents over what really happened at j.f.k. and what they found while they're going through all these documents is the kennedy administration's kind of fixation with toppling the castro regime and what they found was that the cia under operations northwards was planning to not only hijack planes blow up an am

c-span: the last time we had our cameras in robert mcnamara's office, he told me that the desk that he uses is your father's desk when he was the first head of the world bank. >> guest: he did. he had this great big, heavy kind of wonderful desk, and he left it to the bank because, i guess, it was huge and kind of cumbersome, and he left it there. and bob inherited it, i believe, took it with him--did he?--to his own office. c-span: his own office, yeah. >> guest: yeah. c-span: the reason i bring it up is that you're still close friends with bob mcnamara today. >> guest: i am. he's a good friend. c-span: did he serve on the board, eventually, of the washington post? >> guest: yes, he did. yes, he did. c-span: the--you have devoted a lot of time here to your husband--your deceased husband. had the story about his death ever been told in the detail that you told it? >> guest: not co--coherent--not consecutively. i think most of what i told had been here and there. c-span: had you--it--was it hard for you to do that, retell that story, rethink it, relive it? >> guest: it wasn't ev--easy,

so he had resigned and come back c-span: the last time we had her cameras and robert mcnamara's office he told me that the desk he uses is your father's desk when he was first hit of the world and? >> guest: yet this great big heavy kind of wonderful desk. and he left it to the bank because i guess it was huge and kind of cumbersome and he left it there. bob inherited it. his own office? c-span: the reason i bring it up is because you are still close friends with bob mcnamara today? >> guest: i am, he is a great friend. c-span: did he serve on the board? >> guest: he did. c-span: you devote a lot of time to your husband. have a story about his death ever been told in detail before? >> guest: not consecutively. i think most of what i told had been here and there. c-span: was it hard for you to do that to retell the story, to rethink it, to relive that? >> guest: it wasn't easy not only because of the sensitivity of what i was writing but to cause i wanted to be sure to put it in context. it was a comparatively short period in which he was very ill and did some quite aberrational things.

former secretary of defense robert mcnamara and about to be vice president dan quayle are debating america'sd what we need to do to be safe in the last days of the soviet union. >> let me tell you something, they are proud of their military, they've invested a lot of money and you know what, it works. >> may i just interrupt one second. we shouldn't debunk the u.s. military. there isn't one single senior u.s. military commander who believes the abm system around moscow is anything other than a pile of junk. >> why, mr. secretary, did they put $200 billion in lacer weapons and -- >> they haven't. they put it in air defense that isn't worth a damn and our bombers can penetrate it. >> i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with john berman starts right now. >>> this kind of attack is a challenge to the world. words from the administration as they make their case to strike syria. the world lead, exhibit a, a map showing areas around damascus supposedly hit by chemical weapons, a map that they are sharing. yet the president still hasn't made their decision. >> the national lead,

the rand corporation which robert mcnamara actually came out of. did polling and they manipulated data so that the vietnam war would go on longer which is what the pentagon papers were all about. and you know, when private corporations got their hands on this part of doing this kind of storage, they're not really going to give that up easy. >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: we can do all of the exposure -- i sometimes think glen greenwald and assange are working for the right wing corporations more -- >> i don't know about that. >> caller: the reason i say that -- give me a chance. i say that with a certain tongue in cheek. the reason i say that is because they've already told us things that we know have been happening for a long time. there really isn't a lot of brand new stuff and the things that are getting out are very distracting from other things and i do agree with that one caller. we can shoot ourselves in the foot in this next off-year election and we'll have even more republicans in there. i know the democrats do take money from these corpor

here is a good example, former secretary of defense robert mcnamara and dan quayle debating americanth and what we need to do to be safe in the last days of the soviet union. >> we always get in this thing of debunking the capability of the military of the soviet union. let me tell you something, they are proud of their military, invested a lot of money and you know what? it works. >> mr. mcnamara -- >> may i just interrupt one second? we shouldn't debunk the u.s. military. there isn't one single u.s. military commander who believes the abm system around moscow is anything more than a pile of junk. there isn't one of them. >> why, mr. secretary, do you think they put $200 billion in charge particle weapons and laser weapons and testing space weapon, all of the things in the soviet union. >> they put in an air defense that isn't worth a damn and our bombers can penetrate it. ♪ ♪ i've got something for you too. (announcer) fancy feast delights with cheddar. a meal that is sure to delight your cheese lover. now available in the classic form she loves. fancy feast. the best ingredient is

years, his national security adviser mcgeorge, maxwell taylor, chairman of the joint chiefs, robert mcnamarady would have sent combat units to vietnam which is what johnson did. throughout his presidency six or seven occasions he was urged by his advisors to send combat units to vietnam and every single time he refused to do it. >> is there any trepidation about writing about president kennedy in this manner? the full rounded human being. after the assassination he's depicted in one dimensional way and a lot of regards and you bring him in his 3d -- >> absolutely. i found that it illuminates some things. we're talking about vietnam. for example, he gave a green light to a coup against president diam ten days after his son died, he was in hyannisport, carolyn was acting up, being difficult because she was sad to have lost her brother. he kept reading and re-reading the condolence letters he had gotten, passing them around and at that moment, he's asked to approve a cable that essentially green lights a coup against deyam and he does it. he realizes what he's done and tries to claw it back and