merrill lynch. and -- david: these are all prominent african-american business leaders. robertl prominent african-american business leaders. and all of them took the meetings. from there, they introduced me to other people to take meetings. i literally had 100 interviews in my fall of the second year of business school. i figured out that mergers and acquisitions was the only business i wanted to be in in investment banking. and i said -- because with the exception of warfare, it is how assets get transferred on this planet. it is a ceo-level discussion, a board-level discussion, a strategic discussion, and that was quite interesting to me. and i thought i could add particular value and insights to into that particular business. david: the three jobs you had before you went to business school, did you feel any discrimination against you because you were african-american? robert: oh yeah. oh yeah. it is one of those in america, i have and still do. i remember a time when i was actually at air products and i was invited to give a talk in california, in san francisco at one of the