so in this instance, as robert mueller alleged, the free and fair elections in the united states.t's one possible charge. others come to mind, but certainly the facts will matter. all of these are pointing to using the machinery of government to subvert the election. >> you're talking about possible charges. i'm assuming you're talking about the former president and how that could be deciphered. let's sells touch on jeffrey clark, mentioned in the "new york times" reporting. at the time the acting head of the justice department, civil division. talk to me, barbara, about what you know of the relationship with the former president, and the conversations he had been having, according to this testimony, with the former president of ways to cast doubt on the election results of 2020. >> yeah, so president trump was urging the leadership of the justice department like jeffrey rosen and his deputy clark, and they wouldn't play ball. donald trump did find a willing participant in the assistant attorney general for the civil division, jeffrey clark, and the public reporting is that clark

robert mueller informant and perjurer's eve bannon, does not know his ass from his elbow. make money on wall street or in hollywood. he's a grift or. a fat ugly, inarticulate, poorly groomed alcoholic with delusions of grandeur. he is never elected anybody that any public office in his life, most particularly not donald trump, who is his own man in implemented his own strategy. despite being informant for robert mueller, they indicted him anyway and he will soon be recharged in new york on new charges. you will see me at his trial in the front row, and i will not levy is convicted and jailed. remember the back story here. it's not just about two grown men proving who loves trump more. this was an old school takedown by roger stone, who wrote the book on that. in well bannon may not be a big on personal grooming habits, he has been grooming a fleet of accolades, and in the trump world, and they are now likely girding for a fight with mr. stone, so it might get even more interesting in short order. that for us is our broadcast for this monday night, with our thanks for being

number one, conspiracy to defraud the united states.y en it's one of the things robert mueller charged against the internet research agency, obstructing the administration of government. in this case congress in certifying the vote. number two, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. that is a charge that has been h laid against some of the protesters there that day. possibly even rico, which is the organized crime statute, using the president's office as the machinery to engage in other crimes that are called racketeering acts.rsvenier those could include extortion, and the rico statute permits both federal extortion acts, could be these pressures on rosen as well as state crimes. so it could be these pressures extended against the secretary of state of georgia. the big kahuna would be seditious conspiracy or inciting insurrection. i don't know whether the evidence will go that far. and then there's some smaller sw charges like voter fraud and commanding a federal employee to violate the hatch act. but all of those things need tor be investigated so that prosecutors can decide

robert mueller describes five or six acts which sound like criminal obstruction of justice and a lot of joint missions with the russians, but there was never a serious conversation about investigating and charging him because he was president. has that changed behind closed doors at the justice department? >> to my knowledge it has not changed yet, but you have to remember, there is a constant collection of evidence and, in theory, could that view change? i think we have to see, i think one of the things we have to see is what does jeffrey rosen say specifically about this conversation. we have the notes and obviously they're quite barren. but it matters are not what jeffrey rosen says in front of a microphone. and i think the same holds true for richard donahue. and a handful of other senior justice department officials who wrestled with this in realtime. so i understand barbs argument here, she's a smart lawyer, but i do think there is a lot more to the picture that needs to be understood before you can make any determination about criminal activity here. >> barbara, i'm sure it's

despite being an informant for robert mueller they indicted him anyway and he will soon be recharged now, remember the back story here. it's not just about two grown men proving who loves trump more. this was an old school takedown by roger stone who wrote the book on that. and while bannon may not be big on personal grooming habits, he has been grooming a fleet of acolytes at breitbart and in the trump world and they are now likely girding for a fight with mr. stone. so it might get even more interesting in short order. that for us is our broadcast for this monday night. with our thanks for being with us, asas we start a new week. on the behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. happy to have you here. cnn is reporting tonight on what's sounds like it might be a dramatic turn, in the investigation into the january 6th attack on the capitol. nbc news has not verified this reporting, i'm just siding with cnn has reported this evening. if in fact this is worn out, this would be sort of a big hairy deal. with cnn is reporting tonight is that the january six

that's one that robert mueller brought. that's trying to obstruct the administration government. there's the possibility of obstruction all of an official proceeding on january 6th. there's laws that prohibit anyone from committing voter fraud. the big ones are conspiracy and inciting insurrection. those are rarely charged. if the facts suppose those charges, as we argued in that piece, the justice department should not be afraid to bring them just for fear of political a appearances. >> so much to follow. thank you, both. >>> a close eye on the senate, where we could see movement to pass the infrastructure bill. we look at where things stand. >>> two leaders from two different states who are working to mask up communities as their governors refuse to mandate masks, the mayor of miami and the dallas county judge in texas join "american voices" after this break. >>> first, richard with the other stories we're tracking. >> officials in south dakota they the sturgis motorcycle rally is bringing in the biggest crowds in careers. the delta variant is a top concern as the country avera

(applause) >> director robert mueller had been the director of the fbi for one week prior to 9/11.f president bush. within a minute of telling the president, vice president, and others, uh, about the 19 hijackers that we'd already learned about and everything, president bush cut him off and said, "that's all well and, and good, mr. director, but i wanna know what the fbi is doing to prevent the next attack." director mueller's job was then to take that mission, to take the fbi from that reactive crime-solving agency to a preventative national security agency. >> mr. pistole, with respect to preventing 9/11, obviously, you get a failing grade. >> so, the concern within the fbi immediately after 9/11 is that there were other either sleeper cells or there we other terrorist operatives in the u.s. and who else did they have positioned to commit a second attack? and what, how that attack might manifest itself. we didn't know. because ere was a gap, uh, in the intelligence about what attacks might be taking place. we realized, there are huge gaps that we didn't know the answers to. one o

it is unfortunate robert mueller didn't look into these things, but they really want to get into it,s tax returns going back to early 2000s. >> it is amazing. we'll keep watching and now we'll have to monitor goings on in scotland. tim o'brien, thank you for stand. we'll explain next. [grunts] ♪ ♪ [grunts] pnc bank believes that if a pair of goggles can help your backhand get better... yeah! ...then your bank should help you budget even better. (laughing) virtual wallet® is so much more than a checking account. its low cash mode feature gives you at least 24 hours of extra time to help you avoid an overdraft fee. you see that? virtual wallet® with low cash mode from pnc bank. one way we're making a difference. (chimes) at usaa, we've been called too exclusive. because we were created for officers. but as we've evolved with the military, we've grown to serve all who've honorably served. no matter their rank, or when they were in. a marine just out of basic, or a petty officer from '73. and even his kids. and their kids. who've honorably served a marine just out of basic, or a petty of

this opens him to allegations of election fraud, perhaps inclined conspiracy, the charge robert muellers president trump said and did is on the table as a result of katie's reportin >> barbara just said based on katie's reporting it could potentially open up a criminal investigation against trump. how does that make you feel? >> makes me really glad i'm not a lawyer and out there trying to figure out what happened and other people can decide what to do with the information and i'm going to just refrain. >> all right then. pete, barbara, we're going to end the show with a wow right there. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruehl. hallie jackson picks up breaking news coverage on the other side of the break, speaking with senator tim kaine about that $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill, that conversation and more, coming right after the break. ove men dt to the test with nelson, a volunteer that puts care into everything he does. it really protects my skin. it's comfortable and lasts a long time. dove men, 48h freshness with triple action moisturizers. from prom dresses to work

into hysteria over misinformation about donald trump colluding with russia, and special counsel robert mueller 2016. so this report needs to be made public, with we need to know all the facts, and we can't let the democrats just make this go away. because this -- it doesn't matter what party, you know, is being targeted, this can't happen in the u.s. government. it can never happen again. everyone who broke the law must be held accountable. no one's above the law. elizabeth: kristin tate, good to see you. thanks for joining us. up next, tom homan on the biden administration's court louses that keep piling up -- losses. numerous judges stopping biden from reversing trump's border policies, but now, breaking news, the biden administration, the doj, is going to take one particular case to the supreme court. the story next. ♪ ♪ that spin class was brutal. well, you can try using the buick's massaging seat. oh. yeah, that's nice. can i use apple carplay to put some music on? sure, it's wireless. what's your buick's wi-fi password? it's buick envision. that's a really tight spot. i used to hate para

robert mueller used this conspiracy when he charged the internet research agency for its efforts to influencevities to be brought in to the conspiracy, including the acts with the georgia election officials, jeffrey rosen and others. the goal at the end of the day was to disrupt the functioning of the u.s. government, congress from certifying the winner of the election, the fair and free and rightful winner by pushing these lies and trying to throw it to the house of representatives where there's a republican ma jortd and who knows what can happen. i think that charge, there is already sufficient predication to open an investigation today. i want to give the justice department credit, maybe they already have and we just don't know it yet. >> let's talk about possible evidence that would be needed in an investigation like this, the evidence that they would be able to procure. we know about obviously the handwritten notes by the acting a.g. at the time. we also know about the numerous phone calls the president made specifically to georgia. how would opening up an investigation be -- give them t

a sitting white house counsel who is, you know, sneaking off to testify to robert mueller for dozensng defense secretary trying to keep troop morale up as the president made dangerous decisions. john bolton documenting every, you know, whiff and sniffle of impropriety and documenting it all. i mean the story of the trump presidency is also the story of a government that doesn't work if someone like trump runs it again. >> right. i think that, you know, nicolle -- hi, good to see you. >> hi. >> i think one of the things that we learned in the course of our four years is how many of the constraints -- you know, we talked about guardrails, right? from the very beginning there was a notion there are these guardrails that would be able to kind of rein trump in no matter how incompetent, malignant or ignorant he was. this was a couple hundred-year-old democracy that evolved into a sturdy system and we said, you know, the guardrails are there. the court is a guardrail, the press is a guardrail, and those turned out to be true and in some ways trump was constrained by the guardrails. in term

and from congressman adam schiff and congressman jamie raskin, two things that were elusive to robert muellernd two is criminality in his coverage duct leading up to the election. do you think they're getting closer to having something on either of those fronts where he is concerned. >>. >> well, look, i think the intent element of this is pretty open and closed. you know, unlike what was happening with russia, the question was always, you know, not so much whether, you know, trump cared or even obviously we knew that trump wanted russia to help him. he said that publicly. the question was whether, you know, he had worked with russia, right. that was the whole collusion discussion. this is a different element with january 6th, right. like this is trump himself at the top of the funnel of the improper and illegal activity. i think that what has leaked out of the testimony from rosen with the assistant attorney general jeffrey clark, working with the president to try to undermine and ultimately overturn the election, and this is an absolutely astonishing testimony. it is kind of insane that a h

chasing his tail and trying to understand why robert muller ever interviewed donald trump but robert mueller prove intent because he didn't interview donald trump, we never understood why they couldn't answer the question of intent but it was never clear they sought an interview to understand his intent. in this case it seems what's coming out is clear intent. just declare the election corrupt and leave the rest to me and our congressmen. you've got the whole tape with raffensperger where he tells him to find 11,780 votes. there's still evidence emerging about contacts with other state election individuals. the intent is staring all of us in the face, isn't it? >> well, that's how an ordinary prosecution would prove intent. it's not usually through interviewing a witness or putting them in a grand jury. it is usually based on statements made by other witnesses which are admissible in court. what we're learning the last couple of weeks is remarkable, we have that recording. you identified this last week, nicolle. a little recognized tidbit from "the washington post" is that donald trump calle

he's taking longer than robert mueller.d states, what about all those big actors, though kayleigh. kayleigh: the media's culpability in all of this. remember it was russia, russia in 2016 and then there was no hunter, hunter in 2020 because the media simply did not carry waterfor joe biden. lawrence: they do have the capacity to do this. >> you think so until it's tucker carlson who was spied upon and they simply do not care. it's all partisan. they don't care if it's a fox host but they would care i'm sure someone at cnn or msnbc, et cetera. lawrence: no integrity at all. thank you so much. kayleigh: thank you. will: thank you, lawrence. massive 7.0 magnitude earthquake hitting western haiti. felt across the caribbean sending people running to streets in fear buildings might collapse. estimates say there could be thousands of pay they -- fatalities. >> the earthquake was 7.0 and killed over 2,000 people in haiti. it was closer to port-au-prince in the capital where the population is. there's still plenty of small towns in

mueller report. interference by russia and injustice and at the top of each one, robert moeller himself is the seven-page summaries, here are my findings and they were already scrubbed for classified information they were ready to go in fact this one like these details you forget about i said oh yeah, robert moeller wrote a letter to bill barr and bill barr put into bogus four-page letter and more said, essentially anything according right, you have mischaracterized the substance nature and conclusions of my report then he goes on to say that i give you the summaries bill barr, you are supposed to just put them out, you could've done that on day one. and the detail that i forgot about during the research is so floor since his letter to bill barr saying that you misstated my report pretty couple weeks later bill barr testifies in congress, i went down to dc to cover this for cnn but we didn't know about the letter yet and i come out and a member of congress, asked bill barr has anybody the mueller team expressed displeasure to you about your four-page letter and bill barr looked into the cameras in the en

mueller report. interference by russia and injustice and at the top of each one, robert moeller himself is the seven-page summaries, here are my findings and they were already scrubbed for classified information they were ready to go in fact this one like these details you forget about i said oh yeah, robert moeller wrote a letter to bill barr and bill barr put into bogus four-page letter and more said, essentially anything according right, you have mischaracterized the substance nature and conclusions of my report then he goes on to say that i give you the summaries bill barr, you are supposed to just put them out, you could've done that on day one. and the detail that i forgot about during the research is so floor since his letter to bill barr saying that you misstated my report pretty couple weeks later bill barr testifies in congress, i went down to dc to cover this for cnn but we didn't know about the letter yet and i come out and a member of congress, asked bill barr has anybody the mueller team expressed displeasure to you about your four-page letter and bill barr looked into the cameras in the en