that warning appears in the new forward of a new book by three of robert mueller's top lieutenants, hisstigation, a retrospective with chilling implications, with the high stakes political moment we find ourselves in today and still. joining us now two of the co-authors of "interference, the inside story of trump, russia and the mueller investigation." aaron zably and andrew goldstein who helped lead the obstruction, that's volume 2 of the probe. let me start with you on why it took so long to tell the inner story of the mueller probe. it seems like robert mueller himself, who i had the privilege of serving with in government, was maligned by bill barr before the substance of the investigation was even made available to the public. >> it took us a little while to convince bob that this was the right thing to do. in the end we think that there are lessons to be learned from the decisions that we made during this investigation. we think personally from bob's leadership and the way that he led us with integrity and forcing us to focus on speed, on principles throughout the entire life of t

the russian dossier that was investigated with robert mueller, or 4 tens of millions of dollars, which came up with nothing. attacking anybody in the trumpet ministration, where they've gone to a russian opera where they've eaten a russian caviar where they visited saint petersburg, whatever the justice department will, you know, clamp down on them and see how there's a connection to russia. and we will see more of these arrests, more these charges coming up as we near the election as well. our team is not alone in drawing particular attention from us authorities charges have been unnoticed against 2016 trump campaign advisor. dimitri signs over his work for russian media connecting it to a violation of sanctions and money laundering. he could face up to 60 years behind bars, and mr. simons is a russian born american citizen with decades of foreign policy experience in washington. 8 years ago, he advised the trump presidential campaign while he was running a national sink time focused on u. s. foreign. the 1st. last month, the fbi i rated his home in virginia, had previously been inves

b, i rated his home in virginia, he previously being investigated by special counselor robert mueller on suspicions over donald trump's. a legend links with the russian government, however, united for board failed to provide any evidence of supposes malign russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. also known as the russian, he had hoax. law president biden salton hunter hos entered a plea deal to avoid his tax trial. it came just hours before a jury selection was set to begin in his case. he's accused of failing to pay at least $1400000.00 in taxes last year, the sitting leaders, 2nd psalm, was also going back to the homecoming charges. i'd like to report a fee, again believes the binding. somebody's trying to sweep the case under the carpet had of november's election as this whole ukraine uprising can be connected to the biden's. i mean, a go back many, many years here, controversial years where the country was very, you know, disabled and disabled as well as a lot of a lot of conspiracy going on there. but then there's a lot of truth to it. there's a lot of wire transf

b, i with at his home in virginia, he previously being investigated by special consul robert mueller, on the suspicions over donald trump, to legend links with the russian government. wherever wheelers report failed to provide any evidence of suppose a malign russian interference in the 2016 vote known as the rushing at hoax. meanwhile, president biden saw the hunter as enter the plea deal to avoid his talks trial. it came just hours before a jury selection was set to begin. in his case, he's accused of failing to pay at least $1400000.00 in taxes last year, the sitting leaders, 2nd psalm, was also convicted on gum charges. alex reporter, fee again believes the binding family's, trying to sweep the case under the carpet head of november's election. for this whole ukraine uprising can be connected to the bindings. that means they go back many, many years here, controversial years where the country was very, you know, disabled and disabled as well as a lot of a lot of conspiracy going on there. but then there's a lot of truth to it. there's a lot of wire transfers that were interested a

month, the fbi i read at his home in virginia a previously been investigated by special counsel, robert mueller on suspicions over donald trump's a legit links with the russian government. however, mueller's report failed to provide any evidence of suppose that malign russian interference in the 2016 presidential election with the sodium russia gate accusation later developed as a hoax. law president biden. some hunter has entered a plea deal to avoid his tax trial. a king just hours before a jury selection was set to begin. in the case, he's accused of failing to pay at least $1400000.00 in taxes last year the setting meters, 2nd sold, was also convicted on gun charges. us human rights lawyer, doug complex, spoke to my colleague rachel ruble about that's and how the binding ministrations using the functions to try and implicate its republican rivals. i think these are politically motivated. i think this is a way for the biden harris administration to try to score points in advance of the november election. that's what this is about. trying to paint the, their opponent, donald trump, as, and hi

which examined the role of technology in the 2008 presidential race and the threat matrix inside robert mueller's fbi, which traces the history of fbi efforts. his other book is i had already mentioned coauthor john carlin. exum examines the rise of cyber threats across america. today, he serves, as the director of the aspen institute cyber terror cybersecurity and technology program and, has contributed. contributor to wired long writes, long reads cnn. he's written for publications from esquire to the new york times and have served the editor of two of washington's most prestigious magazine, the washingtonian and political magazine, which helped which he helped to its first national magazine award of the industry's highest honor. on this book, author and historian michael beschloss has said garrett has deftly used oral history to take us into one of the most horrific and consequential moments in american history. in a book that will be particularly important, those readers too young to remember 911 its true challenges. it is the true challenge of historians to record history so that the next ge

b, i rated his home in virginia. he'd previously been investigated by special todd's old robert mueller on suspicions over donald trump's a legit links with the russian government. wherever mister mueller's report failed to provide any evidence of suppose it malign russian interference in the 2016 presidential election with the soul in russia, gave accusation later to both as a hoax. well, it all comes in the wake of allegations from washington's justice department that our team has been influencing the upcoming american pilot. the us treasury has also impose sanctions on artsy employees, including editor in chief marguerite, to someone. yet the journalistic plump tide has prompted the republican candidate, donald trump, to take the social media flaming his rival democrats are clutching at straws to keep the collusion theory. a life comrade campbell of harris and her department of justice are trying to interfere in and suppress the election in favor of the democrats by resurrecting the russia, russia, russia hoax. and trying to say that russia is trying to help me, which is absolutely f

i recall the robert mueller team put out that investigation, and was there a push to say that's not thet bill barr letter came out. i pressed for them to release our summaries and redactions and we sent them over and asked for them to be released, and ultimately we went with the letter that bob sent on wednesday. >> take us through the steps about the debate. >> we wanted to speak with the president and we thought it was important in what his intent was in taking actions, like firing james comey. was it because of the russia investigation? we wanted to know the number of contacts members of his campaign had with russian immediate airies. at the time of the investigation where a subpoena would have been the right thing to do, it was late in the investigation. at that point we had information from a lot of other sources about the president's intent and state of mind and a subpoena would have dragged the investigation out for possibly a year or two. we may have never heard from the president so we made the decision not to subpoena him. >> so aaron, given the passage of time and it seems li

the russian dossier that was investigated with robert mueller, or 4 tens of millions of dollars, which came up with nothing. attacking anybody in the trumpet administration where they've gone to a russian opera where they've eaten a russian caviar where they visited saint petersburg, whatever the justice department will, you know, clamped down on them and see how there's a connection to russia. we will see more of these arrests, more these charges coming up as we near the election, as long as he's not the only one drawing. so you know, attention from us, authorize these charges have been announced against 2016 trump campaign. advise that dimitry signs of his work full russian media, connecting it to a violation of sanctions on money laundry. he could face up to 60 years behind boss . this assignment is a russian born american citizen with decades of foreign policy experience in washington. 8 years ago. he advised the to him presidential campaign while he was running a national think tank focused on us for an a fast. last month, cspi rated his home in virginia. he had previously been in

america, very successfully, it's not, no, no, i'm not coming. now, if we take special counsel robert mueller's report on his investigation into possible collusion by then-candidate trump's staff with russia, it's appalling, mueller already indicted several dozen russian gru employees there, precisely because they were engaged in spreading such propaganda, which is under... admired by useful idiots in america, it's really terrible. has nothing changed since then, but we can see from these recent news that, while practically nothing has changed, russia continues to do the same thing. well, you know, unfortunately, we 're only going to see that in the election because, well, that's going to be an indicator, because if the american voter doesn't have an obstacle that, that the people they want to elect. they directly cooperate with russia, they directly spread russian lies, they literally consume it and it will be the norm for them, well, yes, well, then it’s difficult to say something, it’s well... there are people in america, but in the american province there are people who are they consume wit

b, i rated his home in virginia. symes was investigated by special counsel, robert mueller on suspicions about donald trump's contact with the russian government. molars report failed to provide any evidence of russian malign implants into the presidential election. meanwhile, by the son hunter is looking to aside step his trial on tax evasion by pleading guilty. last year hunter biden was indicted on 9 charges of tax evasion, and has been convicted on gun charges, which could see him serving up to 25 years in prison. labor and human rights were done cuz alex spoke with me earlier and offered his thoughts comparing biden's play and recent charges against a former trump advisor. i think these are politically motivated. i think this is a way for the biden harris administration to try to score points in advance of the november election. that's what this is about. trying to paint, to see their opponents. donald trump's as and his supporters is somehow puppets of russia. that's what, of course they did after the 2016 election. but i also think this is a means to go after dissidents in general

b, i rated his home in virginia. symes was investigated by social special council, robert mueller on suspicions about donald trump's contact with the russian government. well, as report failed to provide any evidence of russian malign influence into the presidential election. meanwhile, president biden's son hunter, is looking to sidestep his trail on tax evasion by putting in guilty. last year hunter biden was indicted on 9 charges of tax evasion, and has been convicted on gun charges which cause him serving up to 25 years in prison. all right, let's cross a now to sandstone political analysts, filmmaker and screen writers. so saw intentions are certainly hitting up as we get closer to the us presidential election. what are your thoughts on these latest charges being launched in the us? oh, well it stays yahoo! all over again for me, i remember very clearly i was working for r d at the time in 2015 and 16. when the allegations came out, actually it was only 2017 when the elevation started with the the so called the 17 intelligence services or whatnot. suggesting that the russians in

the russian dossier that was investigated with robert mueller, or 4 tens of millions of dollars which came up with nothing. attacking anybody in the trumpet ministration, where they've gone to a russian opera where they've eaten a russian caviar where they visited saint petersburg, whatever the justice department will, you know, clamp down on them and see how there's a connection to russia. and we will see more of these arrests, more these charges coming up as in the, near the election a lot seasonal. they are the ones wearing particular attention from us authorize. these charges would be denounced the games 2016 from campaign and finds that dimitry signs of his words. the russian media can actually get to a violation of sanctions on monday laundry. he could now face up to 60 units behind boss. mister sons is a russian born american citizen with decades of foreign policy experience in washington. 8 years ago he advise the trunk presidential campaign while he was running a national think tongue focused on us for and a says last month, the f. b, i rated his home in virginia, had previou

interference in the russian federation in the elections to the united states, which was headed by robert muellerthe rank of special prosecutor, this is a former, by the way, director of the fbi, and a person extremely experienced and partly legendary, for 2 years they have been pestering trump, well, you see, the goal was probably achieved, because they destroyed his hands, tied his hands, then ensured his non-reelection in the elections already in 2020. the system of struggle of this community against the kremlin, do you agree with this, i think it is unlikely, because with snowdan there is a story with a lot of question marks, but these are question marks for us, people who are not immersed in the other side of this story, the fact is that - american the special services did everything so that snowden, when he fled from them, ended up stuck on the territory of the russian federation, well and because. when he was in flight, he was not going to stay in the russian federation, he was going to move on somewhere towards warm countries, where the climate is milder, where he apparently had some prep

director who started on the job ten days before, robert mueller. we couldn't get to the vice president of the united states. at the moment we were attempting to call him, two secret service agents had burst into his west wing office. grabbed him under the armpits and running down a hallway in the west wing to the secret entrance to the president's emergency operations center, the bunker under the white house. they figured out flight 77 was going over the national mall trying to find a way around the washington monument in order to strike the white house. eventually couldn't find his way around and instead struck the pentagon. >> bill: there were many events, not just that day, but in the preceding days and weeks and months and years to come. i want to play a moment from 9/11 was a tuesday. 9/14 was a friday. president bush comes to new york, goes down to what they consider the pile at the time and grabs a firefighters from queens to help him out with this moment. >> i can hear you. [cheers and applause] i can hear you, the rest of the world hears y

implications of russians trying to help donald trump win again and we have a special council run by robert mueller conclude that had donald trump did not collude with the kremlin in any capacity and here we go down the road again and russia will influence our election and don't have the ability to do that. liz: joe, there's the fallout of china's influence. it's worse than realized and new york congressman, elise stefanik and mike waller saying investigate new york governor kathy hochul and had an alleged chinese spy arrested and when the indictment was unsaled, joe, it was revealed this chinese spy was working for governor hochul and she and her husband got millions in laundered cash from the communist party over there. she was working to further the interest of the chinese communist party. they worked to block taiwanese officials and contact the new york governor's office for eight years since 2016. this person alleged chinese spy edits hochul's speeches and press releases to go along with language approved by china. >> that's right. language around for instance high level government and efforts

. - and then they launched the robert mueller investigation. - the man now leading the investigation,ponizing the doj to go after donald trump because they can't stand that he won. - us officials believe russia not only tried to influence the election, but also worked to help donald trump defeat hillary clinton. - over a month before the election, us intelligence agencies accused the russian government of hacking emails from the democratic national committee and hillary clinton's campaign. - my people, they said, they think it's russia. president putin, he just said it's not russia. i don't see any reason why it would be. - president trump and those working with him had scores of contacts with russians and wikileaks, including attempts at setting up back channels with the kremlin. - i have nothing to do with russia, folks, ok? - the russia cloud over the trump white house seems to be darkening. - paul manafort and a deputy campaign official, rick gates, will turn themselves in to face charges. - 12 counts, conspiracy against the united states, unregistered agent of a foreign principal

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.>> paul manafort and his former political adviser, roger stone were both prosecuted by the robert mueller here, other than the fact that you have to stay on the job and be fair but also continue to do tough work and hold liars accountable. one take away is a mixed verdict in how america does accountability. as you can see, some of that playbook has worked and if other parts of the system give into that exhaustion i mentioned or normalization, if parts of our broader society, the independent branches of government, the free press, then the cynical part of the playbook can work even better. i say mixed because as i showed you, many other pages of this playbook have failed from that massive fraud penalty, to the lewandowski public accountability, to even harsher conditions for those who were not as truthful when pressed under oath, and some of those people are awaiting trial, some of them convicted and some of them in prison. we have heard a ton about institutions over the past few years. but let me repeat something tonight that you already know. institutions are only as effective as their r

this is something -- if you remember when robert mueller testified before congress and he was asked about this, he said it is happening as we speak, and it is going to continue. kudos to the department of justice for taking affirmative steps now. if you remember in 2016, there was sort of belated criticism that they didn't take action even though they saw during the election that this was what was going on because they didn't want to be viewed as politicizing the election and taking sides. but that came at the expense of interference. here in black and white in the luminous papers the department of justice has made public is exactly the scheme, lawrence, that you laid out. which is to get donald trump elected to have the republicans win. that is goal one. goal two is to have the democrats lose to lose confidence in their policies and particularly, of course, about the war in ukraine. and so it's got poll numbers and it targets specifically the battleground states. it targets specific interest groups and voter blocks. it identifies hispanics, american jews, and obviously, anyone in a battl

robert mueller did find that russia a was trying to impact our elections.ng russians -- you can't go through with that, but russia did interfere in the election in order to benefit donald trump, and they wanted to benefit bernie sanders when it was during the primary. and now we've seen from the latest indictment that merrick garland put out there that they are trying to interfere or in our election again -- howard: russia, russia, russia. >> yeah, russia, rush russia, russia. howard: i want the play this sound bite in which donald trump makes this large against the vice president. charge against the vice president. >> iran has spied on my campaign, think of this, and given the information to kamala. what's that all about? that alone should yet me electe. howard: the fbi says iranian hackers stole digital material and seven it -- sent it to the biden-harris campaign which regarded it suspiciously. politico, washington post got the same stuff, deny publish it. is that spying? >> look, howie, democrats are obsessed with foreign election interference except wh

. >> manafort and stone were both prosdeuted by robert mueller's special counsel team looking into russian your takeaway here other than the fact that you have to stay on the job and be fair but also continue to do tough work and hold liars accountable? well, one take away is a mixed verdict in how america does accountability. as you can see some of that playbook has worked. and if other parts of the system give into that exhaustion i mentioned or a normalization, if parts of our broader society, the independent branches of government, the free press, then the cynical part of the playbook can work even better. i say mixed because as i showed you, many other pages of this playbook have failed from that massive fraud penalty to lewandowski's public accountability to the even harsher convictions for those who were not as truthful when pressed under oath or got in other problems. and some of those people as you see are awaiting trial presumed innocent, some of them convicted, some of them in prison. we have heard a ton about institutions over the past few years. but let me repeat something ton

so thank you so much for so you started by writing a book about robert mueller and the fbi getting a kind of sweet gig on cnn. a lot of a national exposure. you moved from that to writing my personal favorite, raven. the the story of the u.s. government's plan to itself while. the rest of us died and you followed that with the in my opinion one of the best oral histories editorial ever written and the only plane in the sky. the story of 911 and then not on that success. hugh moved and wrote one of 2023 pulitzer prize. his history of the history of watergate and last couple of years ago, you were here to talk about your watergate book and fully remember this. you and i were having a private dinner across the river. and i every every you've been here, i usually ask you so, garrett, what's next in your response was? i'm writing a book on ufos. and i know my response. what? so, garrett y ufos, as you say. i'm a very weird person have written this book because i am not a i was not raised watching x-files or star trek. i'm not a sci aficionado. i come this book, as you just outlined, as so

that was, of course, a decision made in the context of special counsel robert mueller. there is precedent that said that the special counsel can be appointed, in compliance with the federal constitution. but when she asked are you really asking me to set aside binding evidence because you got concurrence by another judge references aileen cannon that she said she didn't find per persuasive, the answer is yes. and as long as it happens within a schedule that allows me to be briefed first there's really no harm for me doing so but they're going to have to file a motion for leave first, basic telling her why, in light of that binding precedent, they should still be able to file that motion in the first place, jose. >> and, lisa, is there anything behind it being so efficient and so quick? >> well, i think part of what is driving the efficiency and the quickness. first of all, let me take a step back and say judge chutkan was very quick to sort of chastise former president trump's lawyers who accused her to rushing to judgment. accused the special counsel of trying to rush

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that would have been unthinkable just in 2017 when donald trump was president and robert mueller washis case. but now hemoempowered by the supreme court's immunity decision to direct his department of justice to do anything illegal. >> when you talk about moving forward in this case, despite the election, help us understand why that would be appropriate when in the past we have talked about this rule with the justice department not taking actions that could potentially influence an election within a certain timetable. here we are just two months from the election. >> yeah, so the department of justice has as unwritten policy. it's a practice that within 60 days of an election, it should not initiate new criminal charges. and that's because in 60 days, there's not really an opportunity for a defendant to defend him or herself. so if you conduct a search at their home on the eve of the election, it suggests that there's some sort of cloud of suspicion over this person. or if you file an indictment, it could have an effect on the electorate. this is a case that's been pending for well o

bush, assistant attorney general, chief of staff to robert mueller. he received his law degree from school i hadn't heard of in the bay area. i looked it up. seems decent. but is redeemed by the fact that he is a d.a. from the university of virginia. his daughter is here with us now. incredibly excited to have ken wainstein with us. thanks again and talking to ken, today we'll have ashley geeks. he's of the national security policy center. she's a professor of law here at the university of virginia, director of the national security law center there -- law center there. with associate white house counsel and deputy legal adviser in the early part of the bind administration. i'm going to turn it over to you two and expect to learn a great deal from the conversation. thanks very much. [applause] >> thank you so much, phil. thanks to the baton school and the school of democracy and the meller center for hosting this and for bringing us here today and especially thanks to ken for taking the time to come down and talk to us. i'm very pleased to moderate th

. >> will you seek partners in the senate and subpoena members of robert mueller's team who i believend "the new york times" reported had some awareness of the transactions you're talking about? >> absolutely. we're already having these conversations. we're very interested in ensuring we get to the bottom of this issue. we all know that the egyptian government already the relationship between donald trump has been very concerning to us. now we have this information that they were trying to get this money to donald trump likely for his own campaign. we have to have transparency on these very critical issues especially for a person that is currently running for president. time and time again donald trump and his family have tried to benefit from their relationships in government. this should be concerning not just to democrats but to republicans as well. the republicans in the house continue to block basic information and investigations and trying to get to the bottom of what actually happened. absolutely the senate should be involved and absolutely another reason why the democrats need

prosecutor robert müller, about his possibility based on the results of his investigation the cooperation of then- presidential candidate trump's headquarters with russia, it's terrible. muellerdicted several dozen people there, russian gru employees, precisely because they were engaged in spreading the kind of propaganda that is picked up by the useful idiots in america, it's... it's really terrible, has anything changed since then, but we can see from these recent news that, basically, nothing has changed, russia continues to do the same thing, well you know, unfortunately, we'll only see it during the election, because uh, well, that's going to be an indicator, because if it is not an obstacle for the american voter that the people they want to elect directly cooperate with russia, directly ... consume, because they think that russia is a province, there are people who are happy that it is a white christian country, with which they need to be friends, and ukraine in their coordinate system. does not exist, this is a minority of americans, but unfortunately there are many such people, in particular in the american province that votes for republicans, well , i'm sorry, i'm s

mueller's statement is pure speculation. a cal fire engineer is in hot water tonight, accused of setting fires while he was off the clock. cal fire arrested 38 year old robert hernandez, an apparatus engineer at the howard forest fire station in mendocino county. today he is accused of igniting five small fires in sonoma county over the summer. the most recent one happened last saturday. firefighters say they're shocked and disappointed, especially because sonoma county has been ravaged by fires over the last decade. the press release that came out this morning is a hard pill for all of us to swallow. you know, any time someone is out doing something in the community that puts us all in harm's way, that's just really tough on us. it is disappointing to know that somebody would actually try to destroy other people's property intentionally. all of the fires were put out quickly and only burned about an acre. hernandez remains in jail tonight, where bail has been set at $2 million. police have cracked a cold case in the south bay nearly four decades later. jesus ibarra was found dead inside his san jose apartment back in 1987. that case was cold until this yea