robert murray, an old coal producer from way back, here's what he said about what the e.p.a. rules are going to do to his industry. take a look. >> obama said in 2008 when he was elected i will bankrupt you. he is making good on that. only two coal companies are going to survive the way they are by the end of 1916. he is -- or 2016. he is accomplishing his goal, and, john, if you are destroying an industry, you are destroying jobs. >> absolutely. artificially higher prices are going to destroy the jobs, and as steve points out, germany tried a modified version of it, and it tripled the cost of electricity. >> rich, what do you think? >> you know, coal is 30% of electricity generation today, and natural gas is 35. if you want to wipe out nearly two-thirds of the source of electricity, you are going to get a tripling in electricity costs. >> sabrina very quickly, go ahead. >> it will hurt american businesses and it's not going to have an impact on the environment. we have to remember that the united states only puts out about 5% of carbon emissions across -- around the world. e

that is what it areas people like robert murray. these are efficient business guys. when they see government making regulations and make no economic sense that they're not going to correct carbon emissions, they are not affected by any of this. they think there is a conspiracy going on. even though robert murray goes overboard in terms of seeing conspiracies where there may not be any come you can understand his frustration because it doesn't make sense. neil: he was saying that there is no lobby for displaced energy workers, those who have been laid off. no understanding. the lower prices in the industry >> they are not getting the taxpayer-funded billions of dollars developing its alternate energy energy things that aren't efficient -- how many people see in these windows and think they do at the obama administration claimed they could do. take your 25%, 30%. they are in the low single digits. >> if you have an energy system of the fossil fuel guys. >> all the claims in alternative energy will equal what we get from coal and natural gas than others versus like al g

neil: robert murray laid off 2,000 people in the last year. >> wind is growing at 30%.e of that, very good point he mentioned, whatever jobs are lost in the traditional industry, let's say in coal are made up for in wind and solar. do you buy that mark? >> iea estimates wind is 4% of our energy. solar is .25 of one percent. so yeah, you could say growing in leaps and bounds but you're asking for less than 5% of energy to somehow cover all of these carbon-based energy regulations. not just coal. as i mentioned, this will eventually go after fracking. they're going after transportation sector. they're going after the oil drilling. it's a whole energy mix. we have obama administration officials like energy secretary, like the white house science czar who openly talk about cheap energy being a threat or -- neil: we don't know details of that. >> we don't know exactly with they will say. >> there will be no climate impact from these bills. that is according to. >> that is completely false. neil: wish we had time to argue. both argued points eloquently. i don't think there is

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great members of congress who are not with us like john dingell sr., and robert wagner, late member of the senate, and james murray of montana, and there's also john fitzgerald kennedy who fought in the senate and took his case to the people and never yielded in pursuit but was not there to see the final concourse of the forces he had helped to loose. it all started really with the man from independence, and so as it's fitting that we should, we have come back here to his home to complete what we began. president harry truman, as any president must, made many decisions of great moments although he always made them, frankly, and with a courage and a clarity that few men have ever shared. the immense and the intricate questions of survival were caught up many times in the web of harry truman's judgment. there's another tradition we share today. it's called upon us never to be indifferent toward despair. it commands us never to turn away from helplessness. it protects us never to ignore those who suffer untended in a land that's bursting with abundance. i said today, the whip of the democrats in the senate, who worke

great members of congress who are not with us like john dingell sr., and robert wagner, late member of the senate, and james murray of montana, and there's also john fitzgerald kennedy who fought in the senate and took his case to the people and never yielded in pursuit but was not there to see the final concourse of the forces he had helped to loose. it all started really with the man from independence, and so as it's fitting that we should, we have come back here to his home to complete what we began. as a president must, made many decisions of great moments, although he always made them frankly and with a courage and clarity that few men have ever shared. the immense and intricate questions of freedom and survival were caught up many times in the web of harry truman's judgment. and this is in the tradition of leadership. but there's another tradition we share today. it calls upon us never to be indifferent toward despair. it commands us never to turn away from helplessness. it directs us never to ignore or to spurn those who suffer untended in a land that's bursting with abundance. i said to the senate coming o

from robert putnam's recent book to the other side, charles murray's book. both of them and many others have suggested the reason we have trouble in our education system and having trouble not rising and getting good paying jobs is because of increased incarceration rates, it is because of the breakdown of the nuclear family which continues to be a problem. i do not seeing anything being done by either party to address it. in fact, no one talks about it. i find myself often times in these meetings that i refer to in party meetings as the only one mentioning the huge elephant in the room. it is even an elephant in the room in the democratic party. those on the left who are now suggesting this is a problem we can no longer ignore, yet neither political party wants to talk about it because it is politically incorrect. i think we have reached the point where political correctness has gotten us in a position we will not even fight for the lives of our children in -- and their future. then we need to have politically incorrect people run for president and put the

from robert putnam's recent book to the other side, charles murray's book.oth of whom and many others have suggested the reason we have trouble in our education system and having trouble not rising and getting good-paying jobs is because of increased incarceration rates, it is because of the breakdown of the nuclear family, which continues to be a problem. i do not seeing anything being done by either party to address it. in fact, no one talks about it. i find myself oftentimes in these meetings that i refer to in party meetings as the only one mentioning what is the huge elephant in the room. it is even an elephant in the room in the democratic party. those on the left who are now suggesting this is a problem we can no longer ignore, yet neither political party wants to talk about it because it is politically incorrect. i think we have reached the point where political correctness has gotten us in a position we will not even fight for the lives of our children and their future. then we need to have politically incorrect people run for president and put thos