robert oppenheimer was drawing crude designs. this was instantaneous understanding.this wasn't something that was going to be a secret for long. as much as we try to embrace the argument that soviet scientists were idiots -- this is a great story -- york was a second-generation manhattan generation -- manhattan project scientists. he became one of the top people working on the later project. york told a great story in his memoirs. he says he was called in by the u.s. military, a bunch of generals who were worried about the soviets seeking in a suitcase-sized bomb into washington or new york, and starting world war iii by blowing up one of the cities. the generals asked him, is this a possibility? york said, absolutely not. the general was like, how can you be so sure? york said tongue-in-cheek, the theets haven't mastered science of the suitcase yet. [laughter] soviet science was as good as anybody else. we just didn't want to believe they knew what they were doing. the same people manhattan project scientists studied under in europe, the soviet side -- scientists st

notes left is pash's about frank oppenheimer, robert who he did's brother extensive research into. surveilled, wiretapped, all these things. the scientists. interesting enough, pash cleared oppenheimer, not frank but robert oppenheimer for work on the manhattan project. much general growes trusted him. look at frank oppenheimer. those suspected to be under surveillance. the right is the surveillance sallard. heard that name before? he is famous for being the first person to warn the united states the potentials of an atomic bomb. you may have heard of the einstein letter to f.d.r. einstein didn't write the f.d.r.n letter to savard did. the reason he didn't write it is hadn'tjust like you heard of sallard so he said look, albert, they were friends. please put your name on this. so you get the einstein letter. sallard letter. pash was ceremonying and researching and surveilling everybody. guys, they miche up the houses and the placed they frequented like bars and restaurants. and went into the houses changed the telephone cords. they could tap the phones but they could turn the phones

. >> which reminds me, steve job'' hero was robert oppenheimer. >> they created the manhattan projectand what it was bringing the best minds and best engineers and the people who knew how to screw things in and be mechanics and grease. he made this all work together, and that was the ultimate collaboration team work. when steve talked to me about that, that was one of the things that made me think, that is why i need to do a book. >> didn't you test chapters of this book on the internet? >> that was something i was writing one night about the early internet. and i said, why don't i try to do that with this book, use it for research. and back in the early days of the internet, there were a lot of bulletin boards and news groups. it wasn't just like web sites. i said where is a place like wikipedia, i could put something up and try to edit. i like medium, which is created by williams and co-founder of twitter, and i put up chapters on on medium, there is a whole section in there. i put up the software chapter and a few people said, here's what we did when we created the first applicatio

. >> charlie: steve jobs hero was robert oppenheimer. >> he liked the fact oppenheimer could make a team work together to create the atom bomb, the manhattan project. it was putting the best people together and made them all work together not for any glory because it was in total secrecy, and that was the ultimate collaboration of teamwork. when steve talked to me about that, that was one of the things that made me think, okay, that's why i need to do a book on all the people of the digital age, not just another singular biography. >> charlie: didn't you test chapters of this book on the internet? >> that was something, i was writing one night about the early internet and how it was used for collaborative research. that's why they invented the thing. and i said, why don't i try to do that with this book, use it for collaborative research. >> charlie: right. and back in the early days of the internet, there were a lot of bulletin boards and news groups and things, it wasn't like just web sites. i said, well, where's a place like wikipedia i could put something up and other people could ed