the question asked about the robert pear, the term as i still was put into common circulation as thetitle of the book but joseph and published in 1930. that book is very relevant of the extremely antibusiness, anticorporate sentiment of that great depression. decade. i just want to go to a list of some of the people who i suppose qualifies as robber barons or their lackeys and accolades. that you write about and i want to make come as you question about the robert pear interpretation of history. is about half a dozen or more people here. i'm quoting your characterizations of them. you say of thomas durrant that he was a buffoon. john murray forbes was near money. silas see what was corrupt and largely incompetent. james harvey's stonebridge was a racist. randall dodge was a liar and an eclectic hated the way to do loudly and a monstrously. sam brandon was a buffoon, another one. folks and was belligerent and obtuse. and a gaggle of southern pacific executives were a divided course and petulant arrogant and inept men. that sounds a little bit like matthew joseph. you say in your intro

i want to go through a list on ask a question about the robert pear and interpretation of this.i'm quoting your characterization. ec thomas durrant was a bassoon. tommy siemer was corrupt at large that competent. james hervey was a racist brutal peer grenville dodge is a liar and an eclectic hater who hated loudly and demonstrably. stan brenner is a bassoon. curt lister and was obtuse and the cackle of the southern pacific executives and a whole bunch you named were divided coro some petulant arrogant and inept men. that sounds a little bit like matthew joseph. you see in your introduction that you think the robert pear and interpretation of history is likely to be the low quickly misinterpretation of what you try to learn. so given that town in the way you do with individual robber baron, how was the teacher your account really is distinguishable at its analytic war from the matthew joseph accounts the mobile the whole rather current theory? >> after 10 or 12 years, much of that is paraphrasing what they said about each other. i'll give you one quote. it was the golden age of a