we would considering to news, first i want to say that i'm not the executive director, that's robert rosenthal, but i'm on the board. >> our apologies. >> no problem. so i think that whether it's mill enials or other age groups in the demographics, i don't think there's less interest. we have a relationship with a group called you speak, a spoken word organization. now in 50 cities, thousands and thousands of kids between 14 and 19. and we have a relationship with them. as they discover that what they used to call the news in a very hostile way. we don't talk to the news, news doesn't relate to us. in oakland, the only thing that you see on the news are shootings, and that doesn't tell us about our lives. we have a relationship with them so we provide them verified factual information on a variety of things that affect their lives. immigration, ethnicity. and they interpret that into their poetry and spoken word performances and those they believe are more powerful. so suddenly they have a relationship with us journalists instead of the news, and we're finding that it's a very powerful relatio

an author and radio host who works for roots action dot org and in san francisco we cross to robert rosenthal he is the executive director of the center for investigative reporting all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want robert if i can go to you first in san francisco what is the state of investigative journalism in light of all of these affairs with whistleblowers and i don't have to name names because we all know they are. i think actually investigative reporter reporting in the united states is relatively healthy believe it or not even with the decline in the structure really of the business model and what's happened in this country is a lot of independent investigative reporting organizations have started up the center for investigative reporting as is the oldest actually and right now the largest. but there's a lot of interest in how do you sustain this kind of information information and investigative reporting the threats from the government which are real from the federal government have put a chill on not only the journalists but mor

an author and radio host who works for roots action dot org and in san francisco we cross to robert rosenthal he is the executive director of the center for investigative reporting all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in any time you want robert if i can go to you first in san francisco what is the state of investigative journalism in light of all of these affairs with whistleblowers and i don't have to name names because we.