here to explain his take is the aforementioned, robert schiller at yale. ourse, the schiller and s&p case schiller home price index. professor, good to see you again. i understand what you're saying, is that home prices, they're more likely to trend for an extended period. they have trended essentially for six years' time. how much more trend on the down side do you see in terms of years? >> well, it's really hard to tell, because we're just coming out of the biggest housing bubble in history. so we're kind of in uncharted territory. it could turn around, you know. it's been going a long time. we're seeing some good news now. starts, permits, confidence, the nahb housing index is strikingly up, though it's still low, but it's up. so it could turn around. i just don't see any scientific way to be assured what it's going to do. it could keep going down. >> this is your thing, robert. if you don't know where housing prices are going to go, how could anybody else have any hope of forecasting it correctly. where is the end game here, robert? what needs to happen