host: robert weissman, i will ask you a question.laughter] what are you watching next on ethics in washington? guest: i think there are two things. in this biden executive order, we are happy about what is in it. getting the right rules is the first thing. the next is enforcing those rules. they trump administration has decent rules on ethics but they were not enforced so it made no difference. we will see if they had -- intend to abide by the rules they put in place. an equally huge thing is not in the space of the revolving door put campaign-finance. we have a chance to change the campaign-finance system to replace the system where politicians rely on big donors and go to one where they rely on small donations and matching public funding. that is including -- included in the bill in the senate. if we can get that past, that will transform politics. things are a mess and that sentiment is pretty widespread. people feel like washington is a corrupt mess. they are not wrong, there are reasons people perceive that. the worry is that pe

. >> host: james, robert weissman, would you agree with him that there was an ethical blackhole in theast and administration? >> guest: oh yeah, for sure print the trump demonstrated was the most unethical administration, most corrupt administration in american history. it is not just the president and his family although it starts there but it pervaded almost everything that the government did. pick an agency in the government and as big as it is the odds are pretty good and if you look at closely as the close corruption problems that happened during the trump administration. let me say about ralph nader who i worked with directly for 12 years and continue to work in your -- >> we take you like to capitol hill from to hear from senate majority leader chuck schumer and other democratic leaders.

. >> let's discuss it with andrew weissman, former lead prosecutor in robert mueller's counsel office. also former fbi general counsel and msnbc legal analyst. andrew, good evening. >> good evening. >> i'd like to get your reaction. first, here's one more clip from andrea's conversation with former fbi director james comey. listen. >> one possibility would be for him to list all the many crimes of donald trump and offer that to him as a pardon. acceptance of that pardon would be admission of guilt. >> andrew, what do you make of that? >> so, to be blunt, everything about that is wrong. so first of all, the clip about acceptance of a pardon, so acceptance of a pardon is not an admission of guilt. legally, that's not what it means. second, it's really weird to have a debate, should the president pardon somebody or be okay to have a state prosecution because somehow there would be no spotlight on the former president if there was a state prosecution but not a federal prosecution? meanwhile, he thinks that the president should be -- the new president should be pardoning the person who inc

. >> host: james, robert weissman, would you agree with him that there was an ethical blackhole in the last and administration? >> guest: oh yeah, for sure print the trump demonstrated was the most unethical administration, most corrupt administration in american history. it is not just the president and his family although it starts there but it pervaded almost everything that the government did. pick an agency in the government and as big as it is the odds are pretty good and if you look at closely as the close corruption problems that happened during the trump administration. let me say about ralph nader who i worked with directly for 12 years and continue to work in your -- >> we take you like to capitol hill from to hear from senate majority leader chuck schumer and other democratic leaders. >> let me keep my mask on, sorry. there you go. that's the yiddish. you thought it was noodles. that's gross. i think they're something like noodles that has a similar word. all right, good afternoon everybody. thank you for joining us. i want to thank our great leadership team, durbin, murray