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. >> chris, weissman says a lot of dopey things. but the court waiting, john roberts. amy coney barrett we are waiting for judge merchan and the jury? this is just a fever dream these people have. >> yeah, that's somebody who has no idea how the court works or at least, you know, is willfully putting on a show there. i mean, let me ask you this though. judge merchan show trial is probably the strongest evidence to buttress trump's claim in the supreme court that presidents need immunity from criminal prosecution to do their jobs. i mean,. >> laura: bingo. >> official acts. but i mean this shows that you don't have to imagine hypotheticals. i mean, you know, this is right there in front of the justices. and you know, these are not -- this is not a slippery slope of what might happen. this is unfolding right in front of them. so, you know, i think that. >> laura: sol, do you agree with that do you agree with chris's point there, sol, that this does prove or show how the abuse can be laid out in a state criminal proceeding against a former president in an election year wh

weissman. i want to start with rachel maddow's question. she gave me the question in our handoff. what was strategy of putting roberttand for the defense? >> it was a really good witness for the prosecution to have the defense call. let's just take everyone back a year when the case was about to be indicted. donald trump said i have a witness i want you put in the grand jury. and at the time i remember thinking, that is an odd choice because what you have as a defense lawyer is the element of surprise. that is one of the few things you have. and i was like, well, if you have them testify in the grand jury, he's talking to prevent the grand jury from going forward. it's highly unlikely. and you are now laying out the prosecution what this witness will say. and they not only know what he says, but the heavy year to prepare to cross-examine him and i was thinking that they would call him and sure enough they did and we can't make a final conclusion, we don't know how the jury will assess him. having said all of those caveats, your analysis of he making an exhibit of what michael cohen said makes it palpably clear that