another man was in the audience, his name was robert wood johnson, if he too was inspired by lister, and he got together with his brother to create the company johnson & johnson, and the first thing they produced were surgical antiseptic dressings. these are really funny, if you ever come across one, do pick one up. they were produced in the late 19th, early 20th centuries by johnson & johnson,, and they're kind of like an idiot's guide to operate on your kitchen table, and it's all perfectly safe as long as you use johnson & johnson surgical dressings. this was the kind of thing they were trying to promote, and that all came out of lister's trip. so i was very excited to begin in philadelphia. when lister got to philadelphia, he took a train trip around america, and he went all the way to the west coast, and he was trying to convince americans of the existence ofca germs. and he was very much on a mission. this was a very personal thing to him. it wasn't about money, it was about saving people's lives. in fact, lister had a knack of ticking off his colleagues because with he didn't