>> robert zoellick wrote a piece for -- as you know, a newspaper, "the financial times" and in it, heitely, almost coughing into his sleeve, mentioned perhaps that we might think about gold as a monetary unit. this was the fifth point of five points. the first four which we don't remember but we do remember that he had the temerity, the audacity to mention gold. robert zoellick is an establishmentarrian. >> charlie: deputy secretary of state. >> he certainly should be -- >> charlie: worked with jim baker. >> yet he mentioned this, so the mention of it by a man of his caliber, or his station in the establishment, is extraordinary. "the financial times" published this essay one day, the next day it devoted most of the paper to trashing it. >> charlie: where do you stand on that? >> i am with the fifth point in zoellick's essay. >> charlie: you're with him? >> yeah. >> i would agree with that. >> charlie: he's right, and you agree? >> to come from a man with that background is an interesting shift in the establishment view. that was a leak in the dike, let's say, of the otherwise impervi