next, the president of the world bank, robert selleck, says congress is playing with fire on the debt limit and that americans should be embarrassed. mr. zoellick served as trade representative under president bush and spoke about international trade talks and world hunger. this event from friday was hosted by the society for international development in washington, d.c., and runs about 45 minutes. >> ok, it is a sincere privilege for me to introduce a conversation between two people i very much admire. michael is a former policy adviser and chief speech writer to president george w. bush, and was also -- is now a syndicated columnist. you often read him in the washington post -- the "washington post," and has been a clear voice of development over a long time. i was one of millions who was inspired on many occasions by his thoughts and words including the 2005 inaugural speech by president bush. i also have bought and recommended both of michael's books, most recently opened " city of man," which was written with peter winter, and the book was about the role of faith of people in the square. the conversation is also, i think, going to be infor