there was a short comment from roberta kaplan. she said we're very happy. then afterwards, both roberta and e. jean carroll spoke. e. jean said this is a victory for all women, all women who have been sexually assaulted and have not had their voices. she finally gets her voice back. she said she wasn't doing it for the money. she just wanted to get her reputation back. and she says now she has that. she can move forward. for mr. trump's part, mr. tacopina, who has avoided us all throughout the trial, he spoke to us afterwards. he said that obviously, they're not happy. they will appeal. on several grounds. they felt that the "access hollywood" tape should not have been admitted. they felt anonymous jurors should not have been allowed. he has defended many mobsters and even those trials, at least the attorneys know who the jurors are. and that was not true in this case. the nine jurors, six men, three women, they were hustled out as they had been brought in and left every day. they're anonymous. they may remain anonymous. this was a huge victory for e. jean c

one, roberta kaplan says this. he actually said fortunately, kaplan told the jury incredulously.nks stars like him can get away with it and he thinks he can get away with it here. so that's -- two is i have a real issue with sanding off the edges of trump's monstrosity, and that includes editing his quotes. and i would say the p word every time but my executive producer pat burkey would have a stroke every time. and it's gross. and a lot of my friends have kids that are at home, so i don't. but trump, when roberta kaplan says it to him twice, he doesn't skip a beat. that is a word he's comfortable with. it's a word he owns saying. and in his taped deposition, which the jury saw again today, he doesn't just own it. he almost goes beyond what he says to billy bush. he says, well, yeah, for better or -- almost like it's a burden to grab women in the p word. unfortunately or fortunately. >> yeah. to your point, he doesn't flinch. if you look at body language -- and that's what's lost when you don't actually have somebody inside the courtroom. and i think that inures to e. jean carrol

and roberta kaplan, ejean carroll's lawyer, said, just look at donald trump's access hollywood tape. the way he operated. and they said that to believe donald trump would mean they would have to subscribe to what she called the big lie that everybody was in on this conspiracy to hurt donald trump simply because they didn't like him politically. now, the defence argument is that ejean carroll's entire story is a work of fiction. they say that she is politically motivated, that she wants to sell a book, that she hasn't presented any objective evidence. and they questioned why she didn't report this to police or speak about this before 2019. ultimately, this is a case that will come down to who the jury believes more. that is the standard of proof in a civil case. who are they likely to believe more ejean carroll or donald trump? south east asia remains in the grip of an extreme heat wave, with a number of countries in the region experiencing sweltering conditions. vietnam thailand, myanmar and bangladesh have all seen extremely high temperatures in recent weeks. matt taylor with more.

jean carroll here live on the show along with her attorney, roberta kaplan. they were here live on the show last week and in the immediate wake of that remarkable court ruling in which a jury held unanimously that former president donald trump had sexually abused e. jean carroll, and when he disparaged her, he was ordered to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages both for what he did and what he said about it. but if you watched the show last week and you saw that interview i did e. jean carroll and her attorney, you might remember that, you know, in addition to sort of reflecting on the fact they had won that case, one of the things they were newly contending with in the wake of that jury verdict is that even though trump had just been ordered to pay out millions of dollars because of his attacks on e. jean carroll, his lies about her, even though he'd been ordered to pay millions of dollars within a day of that jury verdict ordered to pay all that money, he was out there saying all the same things again. >> you did force accountability and then you did i

jean carroll and her lawyer, roberta kaplan. it is very nice to have you both here. thank you. >> great to be here. >> i'm sorry i made you sit through that whole thing about the attack in virginia and the durham report. >> i just want to stand up and give you a standing ovation. i hadn't realized nobody had done this, that we're the first. i just now realized it when you said it. yeah, youyo did it. and we as a country are ineured to the idea he lies about things even checkable things and very hurtful and designed to ruin peoples lives. and there's no consequences from it. cruelty makes him seem stronger, seem more macho, cruelty makes his adoring public adore him all the more. you are the first people to have punctured that by using the legal system to say you have to be accountable for what you said. i was going to ask you how they felt but you're only realizing it for the first time now. >> when the verdict came -- when the verdict came i think we ascended to the ceiling. >> weth did. >> and it was the happiest day of my life, and on top of having the happiest da

she described them as vile, foul, disgusting, and stupid, and roberta kaplan, her lead lawyer said thathat everything was on the table and they had to give serious consideration to it. it's worth noting that donald trump's comments this week were similar in nature to the comments he made on truth social, his social media platform last year. in that post he called her case a complete con job and a hoax and a lie. e. jean carroll filed a lawsuit based on that post, and as you said earlier this week, a manhattan federal jury found mr. trump liable for those posts. so for that reason does seem that there are grounds to file another defamation lawsuit based on this week's comments. >> paul, i'll ask you about grounds in a minute. first, if i can, lola, i wonder if she talked about why she would consider doing this or sort of what were her criteria. it can't have been easy over the last year and more when this suit was being brought. it can't have been easy for sure for her to go through what she went through on that stand for almost three days. why would she want to do this? >> she did not g

>> yeah, roberta kaplan, the lead attorney for e.oll throughout the entire case has done a masterful job of laying it out element by element for the jury. in the closing arguments as ron noted, she essentially told the jury that in order for them to find in favor of trump, they would have to disbelieve or believe that not only e. jean carroll was lying, but five women were lying, e. jean carroll as well as the two witnesses that she called, you know, contemporaneously essentially with the alleged assault there after in 1996, she called one friend right after the alleged attack and another one a few days later, both of those women testified. additionally, which i think is very interesting about this case, the judge allowed two other, who are known as character witnesses or prior bad act witnesses, they had nothing to do with this alleged event. however, they both allege that trump sexually assaulted them in a very similar fashion to the way in which e. jean carroll is alleging. and roberta kaplan in her closing arguments, she put up e

jean carroll and her attorney roberta kaplan.me. >> thank you for having us. >> we will remember that you said i am trying to get my life back. >> yes. >> i am here to try to get my life back. >> yes, yesterday was so -- that was such a happy -- i was such a happy woman. i felt like we had accomplished that. >> you did. >> yeah. >> talk about what you were thinking as the jury's decisions were read off in your mind -- >> we were sitting there like this. robbie's hand, it was like holding a block of ice. and we didn't have any idea what the jury was going to do. the former president is incorrect. the jury was not from manhattan. where was it from, robbie? >> mostly westchester and north. >> yeah. six men, three women. his kind of jury, actually. and so when the verdict came in, she squeezed my hand so hard i almost yelped, but it was a great moment. >> what about when that first finding was found, that this jury found that trump did not rape you? what about that moment? >> robbie can explain the legal -- >> sure. and i want you to

jean carroll's lawyer, roberta kaplan, saying she wouldn't be his choice either under any circumstances, so i guess she should be relieved he wouldn't try to rape her allegedly? yesterday, before leaving ireland where instead of participating in the trial, he was hanging out at his golf resorts, trump claimed he was returning early to confront his case, even saying he would probably attend the trial, and even though trump's lawyers rested their case, the judge is giving trump until 5:00 p.m. on sunday to change his mind and take the witness stand. if not, closing arguments are set to begin on monday. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of alabama law school, and msnbc legal analyst. and david k. johnston, founding of dcreport.org and author of the big cheat, how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. you have been covering trump a long time. one would think he at least knows the difference between marla maples, ivana, and a woman he says he didn't know her at all and yet he points to e. jean carroll, let me put the

carol carol's attorney, roberta kaplan, said that proves carol was exactly trump's type. carrell's team also played the jury the infamous access hollywood tape calling it a confession trump telling you, in his own words, how he treats women kissing them. it's like a magnet. i don't need to wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. trump's explanation. well, historically, that's true with stars. true with stars that that they can grab women by the all this what? that's if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely to not always but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately, carol's attorney pounced. who would say fortunately to describe the act of sexual assault. i know who kaplan said he thinks stars like him can get away with it. the defense called carol's story in unbelievable work of fiction from a 2012 episode ola which woman ged at the same department store. what's the likelihood of that? trump's attorney joe tacopina, said one in 20 billion, tacopina told the jury what carol wants is for you to hate trump enough t

here's roberta kaplan on that second case. >> you're going to see news from us in that case very verywhat counts as soon? >> two to three days, max. >> working around the clock. mike schmidt, claire mccaskill, and joyce are still with us. i think people thought in the moment it was norm busting for trump to defame the person that a jury had just unanimously found him liable for defaming, and the woman to the left, roberta kaplan was scrubbing that transcript, look to go see if there was something actionable. we have our answer. there is indeed. what do you think e. jean carroll's appetite is for an additional lawsuit? >> e. jean carol is nothing if she's not tenacious. we have known each other for years, and she is, i think, firmly convinced that she has an obligation to represent not just her own interests but other women in this situation. and so we all know what the problem is here. if you don't stand up to the bully, the bully will keep coming back at you. but at the same time, there's this issue of just how much is it fair to ask e. jean carroll to shoulder. this is a national bu

let me show you what roberta kaplan, e.l's lawyer said about him as a defendant last week. >> he's actually a very good defamation defendant. if you're planning to sue for defamation. because he lies all the time. he lies as a matter of habit, he lies about big things, small things. and in this case, we were able to show those lies not only about it being fake news and a hoax and a made up story, even when i show him that famous photo where he mistook e. jean for mar la maples when he realed he made the mistake he said the photo was blurry. the photo was not blurry. it was classic donald trump. i think the jury heard that and saw that and that's why we got a verdict in 2 1/2 hours. >> saying he's not my type, which is what he said about e. jean carroll, he can't tell e. jean carroll to his eye, she's indistinguishable from his own wife. >> yes, and one of the things that i think is most interesting about this latest development is that it taps into those same themes about the perpetual nature of the falsehoods here. the pat

that is how roberta kaplan, the lawyer for writer e. jean carroll, that is how she began her statement after the verdict was read in the case against former president trump. carroll herself said, quote, i filed this lawsuit against donald trump to clear my name and to get my life back. today the world finally knows the truth. this afternoon a jury of six men and three women in manhattan found former president donald trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. the decision was quick and it was unanimous. for years now trump has been not only denying ms. carroll's allegation that he shoved her against the wall and raped her in a dressing room of a luxury department store in the mid-'90s trump has also been attempting to smear ms. carroll's reputation. jurors believed there was enough evidence to hold trump liable for sexually abusing ms. carroll that day. and that c alone is a very big deal. it is a big deal not just for e. jean carroll but for society at large. trump is a public figure who has beenli accused of sexual misconduct by mor

roberta kaplan, the lawyer for e. jean carroll put up a chart. hood jessica's face and the year, 1979, e. jean carroll's face and the year, 1995 or '96, and natasha, early 2000s, and then there was a checkbox, did he grab suddenly? check check, did he do it in a semipublic place? check check check. and in the after mast, saying she was not his type. so a lot of emphasis on that. then she has the corroborators, two women who she solid in the aftermay. they're both trying to prove that their client is not lying. donald trump is not there to defend himself, he's one person, and there are many people who have testified on behalf of e. jean carroll. >> nancy, go ahead. i think the combination of the "access hollywood" tape and trump's deposition is devastating to him. it shows two things that social science showed us years ago. certainly it's not about whether women are attractive. it's about misogyny. business his misogynist statements, his disparaging women over and over again, it's proving his misogyny. every one of these women is disgusting, as he

as she exited the court room carroll and her attorney roberta kaplan did not stop to speak with reporters with kaplan saying only this, quote, we're only happy. joining us with breaking news coverage of this decision from outside the courthouse lisa rubin is back with us, and also andrew wiseman, former senior member of robert mueller's special counsel investigation. mary mccord is back, formal top official in the justice department's national security division. we see you were inside the courtroom for so much of what went on during this trial. first your reaction to the jury's verdict. >> you know, nicolle, i was astonished the jury returned a verdict so quickly. glenn kirschner was on earlier today and said the general rule of thumb at least among federal prosecutors is for each week of trial you should expect a day of deliberations. given we've been here for two-plus weeks the idea the jury would return a verdict in three hours was astonishing to me. that said i could not conceive having had sat through this presentation that all nine jurors would unanimously find for donald trump and

jean carroll here live on the show along with her attorney, roberta kaplan.ek and in the immediate wake of that remarkable court ruling in which a jury

jean carroll's lawyer, roberta kaplan, used trump's own words against him during her closing argumentself. first, the lawyer showed the jury this video of donald trump in his deposition confusing e. jean carroll for donald trump's second wife, marla maples, during the videotape deposition. >> here's a photograph that we marked as -- >> i don't even know the woman. let's say, it's marla. >> you said marla is in this photo? >> yes, that's my wife. >> which woman are you referring to? >> here. >> e. jean carroll's lawyer then told the jury what did mr. trump do after i showed him that photograph. he looked at it for a moment, pointed to miss carroll, and then said completely unprompted by me, it's marla, that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. mr. trump pointed to miss carroll, the woman he supposedly said was not his type, and mistook her for marla maples. miss carroll's hairdo at the time was similar in both cut and color to miss nichols. she was exactly his time. e. jean carroll's lawyer reminded the jury of donald trump's access hollywood video. >> you know, i'm automatically attracted to

yesterday there were closing statements from roberta kaplan.g statement, they said this sexually assaulting women was former president trump's m.o. they had two women testify in this case that were key witnesses accusing the former president of forcibly touching and groping them to prove that this was the former president's m.o. they had two friends of e. jean carroll that testified that they can corroborate the fact that carroll told them about this alleged rape in moments after it happened. the other thing that this jury is going to be considering is defamation. so you have sexual battery is the one thing they're considering. the other charge is defamation. that is whether or not there is clear and convincing evidence that the former president maliciously smeared and slandered e. jean carroll in the days and years after e. jean carroll came up with this alleged accusation. so that is the thing that we'll be looking at here as this jury has appeared to reach a verdict. we'll see what they unanimously have decided, guys. >> sandra: bryan llenas

there is no question roberta kaplan is an astonishing lawyer but who can afford this kind of defense?that goes to people all over the country who might want to bring charges and even in this case when e. jean carroll wins, if you can say that, let's not forget she was attacked decades ago, but even when she does, i mean, it is not only the mocking of trump that he does at this town hall, what is more frightening is the cheers from the crowd in the audience. that is a lot to unpack. >> it is horrifying. what it says to me is, once again, we have to recognize the close connection between the health of women's rights and the health of our democracy. the two go hand-in-hand. when democracy is undermined, women's rights are undermined. just listen to the way donald trump talks about his worldview, of a world where if you are a powerful man, you can do what you want to women and you can get away with it. remember the way hereof that and robbie kaplan's face during the deposition. it has been that way for a million years and then he paused and said, unfortunately, or fortunately, he wants a

roberta kaplan goes first. we expect this to take about 2 1/2 hours.fense will take about the same amount of time they say. so today is going to be devoted to closing arguments. she started off getting right to the point of saying no one is above the law, not even the president of the united states. that's going to message the theme throughout the course of the trial. and then she tried to use president trump's words against him. she showed the jury again the picture we've seen, the black and white picture where trump and e. jean carroll and ivana trump and john johnson, carroll's husband is in the picture. donald trump mistakes carroll for his second wife, marla mapless to debunk the idea where he said she wasn't his type. that's what they're trying to get the jury to believe. then they showed the jury the "access hollywood" tape which was also in mr. trump's deposition, where he talks about how as a star he can grab women and do what he wants. to sum it up, right in that moment, the attorney said this is him admitting that he did and could do exactly

what roberta kaplan, her lawyer did, they didn't file a new lawsuit as lisa said. they are requesting the judge amend that 2019 lawsuit to include the verdict that said that he was liable for defamation, the statements he made in cnn where millions of people saw it, the truth social and now this. so this will go to her punitive damages request. it will show his hatred, his willfulness, his spite and his malice against her. every word that comes out of his mouth, if it is like this, will be used against him. >> he's digging a deeper hole, it sounds like. thank you so much, catherine christian and lisa rubin. i appreciate your expertise and insights. >>> next on "ana cabrera reports," florida's governor expected to enter the 2024 gop field within days. while he may be reluctant to go scorched earth against donald trump. >>> and the republicans who could stand in the way. d the re could stand in the way i want to keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, yo

jean carroll's attorney, roberta kaplan tells "the new york times" that her client could sue the formerr defamation after he said this. >> i never met this woman. i never saw this woman. this woman said i met her at the front door of bergdorf goodman. what kind of a woman meets somebody and brings them up and within minutes you're playing hanky-panky in a dressing room, okay. >> okay, i hate to give those comments more oxygen, but i don't want to leave any ambiguity about what he said. this is exactly why e. jean carroll sued in the first place and she won. did trump not learn from that experience? >> you have to assume that donald trump has respect for the legal system, which he really doesn't. he's speaking to an audience that is outside of the courtroom and so when he makes statements like that and when he says she's a whack job or he says disparaging things like that, yes, he opens himself up to more defamation lawsuits. there's a statute of limitation on defamation lawsuits, but it's -- she has time to make that decision. this is going to -- this is going to keep this dialogue goin

this newly amended complaint filed tonight, by lawyer, roberta kaplan and her firm, in documents it washe new statements made attacking e. jean carroll online and cnn's bizarre town hall event with him the night after the initial jury verdict. it then runs through some of the threats that e. jean carroll received after supporters of trump after he went on attack after her again. and the complaint says this, i'm not a lawyer, i have only a layman's understanding of these things, but i feel that this complaint is weight -- written in such a way that i get how it is. that they are attaching the new complaint to the existing litigation they already have with him. it says quote, at the jury trial that took place, and the related action between april 25th may 9th, this court instructed the jury. considering a award of punitive damages. in connection with trump's previous, defamatory statements in 2022. it instructed the jury as follows, quote, punitive damages may be awarded to punish a defendant who's acted maliciously. and to discourage others from doing the same. the statement is made with

and her lawyers told the new york times that they may file a new defamation -- her attorney, roberta kaplan told the paper, quote, everything is on the table. the same day, trump took legal action of his own, filing illegal notice of appeal. we'll step back in for a moment here. the impact of the e. jean carroll verdict cannot be overstated. think about this. for the first time, the former president who has been accused of sexual misconduct by more than two dozen women was actually held legally responsible for sexual abuse in civil court. as well one of trump's accusers told the washington post, quote, it vindicates all of us. here is carroll on msnbc earlier this week. >> we did away with the perfect victim concept. the perfect victim always screams. she always goes to the police. she always writes the date in her diary. she always folds up and is a sad person. for every woman in the country, this is for you. i think this will help you all be believed. >> that e. jean carroll took on a former president with virtually unlimited resources and power to trial and then one is usually reassuring

jean carroll and her lawyer, roberta kaplan.it's very nice to have you here. >> great to be here. >> i'm sorry for having -- >> i wanna stand up and give you a standing ovation. i had realized that nobody had done this, that were the first. i just realized when you said. it -- >> you did it. we as a country -- not just that politicians tell lies. we are -- to the specific thing in which he lies even and checkable things and he lies and was that are hurtful designed to hurt people's lives. and they're no consequences for it all, it does his benefit. cruelty makes them seem stronger, more macho. it -- adore him all the more. you are the first people to have push against that so that you have to be held accountable for what you said. >> i was going to ask you how that felt. but you're only realizing that for the first time. now >> when the verdict came, the verdict came. i think we ascended to the ceiling. and it was the happiest day of my life. and on top of having to have this day in our lives, was added -- we were so proud to be

she joins us how with her attorney roberta kaplan. how are you feeling this morning? with such malice and spite that it wasn't until yesterday i got back up on my feet and felt my name is back and robby kaplan got it back for me. >> there were a lot of people who wondered why you would bring this case, not just because of the time, but because you know -- you're from new york. you understand who donald trump is. you know how he fights. you knew it was going to be ugly. he's still doing it this morning. why was it so important to you and why was it worth it to you to bring this case? >> well, i didn't come forward at the time. >> right. >> it took me a long time to get over feeling shame, believing it was my fault. i was frightened he would strike back. he did. i was frightened i would lose my job. i did. then the a.s.a. was passed in new york state. it gave us a nudge and the ability to hold him accountable for the rape. that's why we did it. >> i understand you had an exchange with donald trump's attorne after the jury delivered its verdict. what did you say? >> joe

jean carroll and her attorney roberta kaplan. thank you both for joining us this morning.ow do you feel? >> i feel fantastic. yesterday was probably the happiest day of my life. >> it's been quite an ordeal, hasn't it? four years. >> only four years? >> i'm surprised you say it like that. >> i only decided to come forwar >> i only decided to come forward and tell what happened. i thought that was enough. then he said terrible things about me. dragged me through the mud. ground my face in the dirt. it was horrible. so i talked to robbie kaplan and we brought a lawsuit against donald trump. and yesterday, despite prosecutors and special counsel and investigators compiling all these legal snarls up to trump, it was this 5' 3" wylie female are finalls eldey adce columst >> was there any point din concerned?were ppedngidn't mber exact wis they talked about the facebook posts where you said you were a fan of the apprentice. did it shake you at any point in the trial? >> it was three days. three days of testimony. i was shaking quite a bit. but i felt strong because i knew i was

jean carroll joins us now along with her attorney roberta kaplan. good morning to you both.re you feeling this morning? >> on top of the world. yesterday was the happiest day of my life. >> was it? how come? >> [laughter] >> what was the feeling? >> because the former president had smeared me so badly and so evenly, and was such malice and such despite that it wasn't until yesterday that i got back on my feet. and so, my name is back, and robbie kaplan got it back for me. >> there are a lot of people who wondered why you would bring this case, not just because of the time, but because you know, you are from new york. you understand who donald trump is. you know how he fights. you knew it was gonna be ugly. everything you laid out, you knew it was gonna happen. so, why was it so important to you, and indeed, why was it worth it to you to bring this case? >> well, i didn't come forward at the time. >> right. >> it took me a long time to get over feeling shamed -- believing it was my fault. i was frightened he would strike back. he did. i was frightened i'd lose my job. i did.