and we're joined by former housing and local government secretary robertjenrick, who is now sadly not job, but it does mean he's free to come on weirdly—timed tv programmes and podcasts. hello, good evening. welcome. i see that you're dressing down these days, we're used to seeing you in a suit. you're in a much more casual mood now. there's definitely some advantages to not having to get up at 5am - in the morning to do - the morning media round. i can now have a few more lie—ins from now on. - you mean you didn't enjoy that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan. 0k, well, i suppose it's all relative, isn't it. i mean, how are you, since the prime minister kind of said he didn't require your services any more? i'm good. i'm treating it as an| enforced sabbatical. it's an opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate _ on the issues that i care about. so you think you'll be back? i don't know. politics is a winding road. this may be a detour, but who knows? how was the whole process? how exactly does it work, when the prime minister has sort of grim news to impart? um, well, it's a