and from san francisco, robin thomas is the quif director of search and prevent gun violence. the title of your book seems to say it all. more guns, less crime. do you believe the solution is more guns, and what if they wind up in the hands of the mentally ill. >> we want to keep people that are dangerous from getting guns. the problem overall, police are extremely important, are not going to be there all the time to protect people. they arrive after the crimes occur. what can they do. telling people to behave passively. it's not good advice. >> looking back on that. >> we have the congresswoman on... >> for 30 years, the guns don't kill people, but a lot are dying. if that's the case... you say more people should have guns. >> look, guns make it easier to kill people, they make it easier to protect people and prevent bad things happening. the question is what is the net effect. i give you a simple example. every place in the world has seen increase in murder rates, every place,s it's just not washington d.c. and chicago in the united states. even if island nations ban guns, y