the last person we saw was george roche, the president of the college. he died in 2006? >> he did. >> you replace him? >> yes i did. >> hillsdale was in the national spotlight for a murder or suicide on the campus. >> i will explain it. his daughter-in-law, who was a college employee, committed suicide in 1999. she left a note saying that she had improper relations with him for 11 years. he denied that. no witness ever came forward to confirm it. a hard thing to confirm, and are yet to disprove. upon that breaking, he resigned, retired from the college, with the firmest and oft repeated assurances that he never did that. i myself to not much think he did. but there was trouble in his family, so it was right, in my opinion, for him to retire. that is that story. >> how hard was it for you to follow that, and did you have problems raising money? >> it happened pretty fast in regard to him. i think the suicide was in november, and he retired before the month was out, maybe in 10 days. in my own case, yeah, you do not remember your pains, that is one of the blessings of the