he says, well, i can't because he has nowhere to go, he burned his bridges with the rockefeller foundationhere he used to be. she said, couldn't you find something for him so you can get rid of him? kennedy, according to her, was resolved to let rusk go by the end of the term, without her influence. >> that's such an interesting point. i'm going to play another piece of tape right now, you get the opposite impression, the part of the tape on how she formed her political views. let's listen to that. >> in my marriage, i could never conceive. and i remember i said it in an interview once. all these women, we got all these letters. someone said, where do you get your opinions? i said, i get all my opinions from my husband. which is true. how could i have any republic opinions? his were the best. >> you said she did have some of her opinions. >> john kennedy would be surprised to hear all her opinions came from him. they both had very strong views. you have to go back, lawrence, these were the times. this was 1964, women in her social group particularly -- it was not considered attractive for