and i can only say that because of the sit-ins, i became indoctrinated with george lincoln rockwell and the nazi party, et cetera. but when the freedom riders came to a halt, because of the burning of the bus, because of the riots in birmingham, i didn't join the ride until montgomery, alabama. if you will, that was the distinctive, frightening point. we were going to mississippi and of course mississippi is the -- or was at the time the epitome of what the clan and the rest of it was. needless to say, i don't know if any of your audience has seen the changing of the guard at buckingham palace, but when we got on that bus in montgomery, and we had two helicopters flying overhead, we had national guards men on the bus with us, with unsheathed bayonets, believe me it was frightening because we thought the worst was going to happen. but at the mississippi-alabama state line, it was the changing of the guard. we had at least for 100 yards, alabama national guardsmen on one side of the line and at the mississippi side the same thing, it was again the changing of the guards. >> and i do think