and the studied rockwell and i didn't really think about rockwell until other people started thinking about him first such as robert rosenblum who organized the show at the guggenheim museum in 2001. and i was immediately taken by the work. partly because i had been tired of spending my intellectual life at greenwich village in the 50's. i felt like i can't think again about that. his word struck me as really interesting. so i sort of took it started when i did a piece for "the new york times" magazine about rockwell and the people and i received a call on a monday morning out of the blue. there was interesting. why don't you write a biography. and you are probably joking. from the next 14 years of my life. but i just loved working on this. it's been a labor of love. i just had the best time because the more i learned about rockwell the more mysterious than he became and my wonderful editor is here as is my best friend and my husband and they know how much i have really been completely consumed by the mystery of norman rockwell. he didn't present himself as a mystery man. he was a ver

this talk from the norm in the rockwell -- norman rockwell museum. [applause] >> thank you for the fabulously graceful introduction. and i'm glad he finally lets me upstairs. i can't believe as the archive has been digitized now that i'm done. what were all are all of those summers about? i had to wear gloves as i went through his papers. i had to their research gloves to keep oil of the paper. it was hard to turn the papers. with a slow and laborious process that i'm glad to know that now people can complete it in ten minutes. [laughter] i came to this book from a historical background studying history at cornell and attended college in the 70s at a time when abstract expressionism was seen at the high point as the great savior because as is was said he shifted the capital of our power to new york. i always had a vision of a figure flying through the sky shifting the capital. and of course i didn't study rockwell and i didn't think about rockwell on till their peoples are thinking about him first such as laurie and robert rosenblum dead at the gugge

and the studied rockwell and i didn't really think about rockwell until other people started thinking about him first such as robert rosenblum who organized the show at the guggenheim museum in 2001. and i was immediately taken by the work. partly because i had been tired of spending my intellectual life at greenwich village in the 50's. i felt like i can't think again about that. his word struck me as really interesting. so i sort of took it started when i did a piece for "the new york times" magazine about rockwell and the people and i received a call on a monday morning out of the blue. there was interesting. why don't you write a biography. and you are probably joking. from the next 14 years of my life. but i just loved working on this. it's been a labor of love. i just had the best time because the more i learned about rockwell the more mysterious than he became and my wonderful editor is here as is my best friend and my husband and they know how much i have really been completely consumed by the mystery of norman rockwell. he didn't present himself as a mystery man. he was a ver

. >> and norman rockwell. when he moved there it was a psychoanalytic center of the united states because he the -- there was a center there and it drew a lot of prominent doctors. >> brown: you said he was a perfectionist and you say many people in the art world didn't take him seriously, was that part of it? how did he see himself? did he see himself as an artist? as a fine artist? as a great artist? >> he saw himself as an illustrator and he worshipped the illustrateors who came before him, most of whom we don't know today such as howard pyle, painter of pirates who's been largely forgotten. but he wanted to bill himself into what he saw as the great tradition of drawn illustrations does he trance send that category? i think he throws a monkey wrench into the whole process of classification because he was an illustrator but his work has held up over the years and for me has the mystery and staying power of true art. >> brown: let me ask you about one specific work of art, one famous one. "freedom from want"

you can still see the rockwell moments. >> right. he was born on the upper west side of manhattan and did spend his first years living in new rochelle end was familiar with the art scene something that drives me nuts. [laughter] he had to have seen it. what do you think? do you think he went? [laughter] if. >> is a compelling story i would love to have an hour with him now. he very much resisted modernism. some people see that as a great flaw. one competitor said he hated modernism. so? does everybody have to love modern art? he actually felt affectionately but it did not speak to what he wanted to you do and a broken off the surface so in some way there is always another world so he did not like it for that reason there was too much but also that bohemian lifestyle did not appeal he was very conservative he did not want to go out and have sex and get drunk he was a creature of habit rethink of artist that way by e stock to a strict routine and is in the studio by 8:00 p.m. by the end of every day i think he was in the state of total

and sam rockwell amanda peet friends of mine own lacey felicity huffman allison janney molly shannon who i went to n.y.u. with to tell me that it opens we're just closing a deal right now with the stars company and anchor bay and it should be out in the spring you put one hundred with the kids to give. i'm lucky i i was able to call friends and sam rockwell was in my first film choke and once sam signs up everybody likes to act with him that is writing and directing and hope the other aspects i mean i think it does mean we move so fast on our television show and it really helps me to know how to do what i need to do in that amount of time to find out what the scenes really about now you're a guy you're in is it maybe you were in models agents of shield saw iron man yet you also played leonardo in the film adaptation of much ado about nothing yet like shakespeare i love shakespeare but i don't get to do it there's kind of a shakespeare club and i don't get asked but where did you shoot the film at us with his house why because. because joss is a little crazy in a wonderful way he had

and the life and art of norman rockwell. in exploring the life of personal artist norman rockwell. and a public health official at yale university at the leadership institute presents a history of health care health care in america and their thoughts on reform in the american health care paradox and why spending more and giving us less. and josh ott presents the story of two american anthems. look for these titles and book stores this coming week and watch the authors in the near future on booktv and booktv.org. >> randall kennedy is next on booktv. he talks about the history of affirmative action

and the life and art of norman rockwell. in exploring the life of personal artist norman rockwell. and a public health official at yale university at the leadership institute presents a history of health care health care in america and their thoughts on reform in the american health care paradox and why spending more and giving us less. and josh ott presents the story of two american anthems. look for these titles and book stores this coming week and watch the authors in the near future on booktv and booktv.org. >> randall kennedy is next on booktv. he talks about the history of affirmative action policies and argues that affirmative action is a morally sound idea that should not be abandoned. this is about one hour and 10 minutes. >> thank you very much for that generous introduction and for making the space available and for all of us. and i'm going to talk for a few minutes about my new book and then we will have a discussion and hopefully the monologue will turn into a dialogue and four will be open to questions and comments and by all means objection, because this is a subject

so new and innovative, not because this was a moonshot, not because we needed lockheed martin and rockwell to coin and in vent some new way to propel a ship to the moon but because we have discovered, and will undoubtedly continue to discover, that efforts were taken to cut corners to meet political deadlines at the end. that for political reasons rules were not created in a timely fashion. that in fact, the rules that should have been created at the time of the passage of the law, or shortly thereafter, enmany cases were still being given to programmers in september of this year. now, i recognize there are divisions on this committee as there were when obama care became law. many members, including myself believe there was and is a health care crisis in america. it's a crisis of affordability. insurance is simply a way to score what that affordability is, not to drive down the cost. many members, including myself, opposed this new law because we thought it wouldn't work and it had no systems to actually reduce the cost of health care from the provider. my friends on the other side may cor

american minor" by deborah solomon, the biographer and author explores the personal life of norman rockwell. it is lauren taylor of the history of health care in america in their book, "the american health care paradox", by authors elizabeth bradley and lauren taylor and then finally,

weekend, four days of book tv on c-span2, including deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell tonight at 9:30. and on c-span3's american history tv, the 150 anniversary of the gettysburg address. -- at 4:00rson helps and 10:00 p.m.. congressional leaders dedicate a bust of winston churchill last month. after a was placed cause passed by the u.s. house shortly before the 70 and the anniversary of his wartime address to a joint meeting at congress. this is one hour. >> ladies and gentlemen, please , theme our honored guests democratic leader of the house of representatives, the republican leader of the united fate senate, the majority leader of the niceties and become a united states senator if they, and the speaker of the united states house of representatives. [applause] please stand as the chaplain of the u.s. house of representatives give the invocation. >> let us pray -- god of all nations, we ask your blessing all on this gathering of people separated only by a common language to honor today a towering figure of the way first century, sir winston churchill. a man larger th

and also for days of book tv on c-span2, including deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell and on c- span3's american history tv, the 150th anniversary of the it is birgit prinz. come him rating -- commemorating the words lincoln spoke at the, moderation -- dedication of the soldiers the cemetery. >> former intelligence official said another attack on the scale of 9/11 in the u.s. is not likely but also more needs to be done to counter the threat of those who work alone. also discussed in the balance between security and civil liberties, saying it is impossible to prevent every potential terrorist attacks. at thescussion up up -- potomac institute is about one hour and 45 minutes. i amdies and gentlemen, the ceo and chairman of the potomac institute for policy studies. we are a not-for-profit think tank in the washington dc area that focuses on the issues of science and technology, how science and technology is .hanging our society for almost 17 years now we have been the host and home for the international center for terrorism studies headed up by professoryona alexander.

not because we need a lockheed martin and rockwell to come and invent some new way to propel it but becausehe moon, we have discovered and we will undoubtedly discover that efforts were taken to cut corners to meet political deadlines at the end and that for political reasons, rules were not created in a timely fashion. in fact, the rules it should have been created at the time of the passage of the law or shortly thereafter, in many cases, were still being given to programmers in september of this year. recognize that there are divisions on this committee, as there were when obamacare became law. many members including myself and is ahat there was healthcare crisis in america, a crisis of affordability. insurance is simply a way to score with that affordability is, not drive down costs. many members including myself oppose the new law because they thought it would not work and it had no systems to actually reduce the cost of healthcare from the provider. my friends on the other side may ,orrectly note, as i will hear that many americans are at theing from obamacare cost of trillions of dolla

picking up the saturday evening post and not really bothering to look at his paintings and describing rockwell paintings and i don't think that people really took the time to realize what an original he was. but i think in many ways it goes beyond the in many cases so much more. >> [inaudible] [applause] >>> up next on book tv, after words with debbie hines creator of legal speaks blog. this week, abbe contributing authors to how can you represent those people, the director and supervisor of georgetown law school criminal defense and prisoner advocacy clinic discuss the defense attorneys answers to the professional question the year asked most often how they are able to defend those that commit the worst crimes. the program is about an hour. >> i am so glad to be doubled to interview you on your book how can you represent those people. it was a very interesting and thought-provoking book and i don't say that lightly because if it weren't i wouldn't say otherwise but it was definitely a lot of emotion and ander and sadness and laughter. it basically ran the whole gamut. why don't you start by t

, -- including deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell. >> president obama coming up inabout 15 minutes in california talking about jobs and economy. until then it, a conversation from this morning's "washington journal" on poverty in the u.s.. host: welcome back. one in six americans are in poverty. what does that mean and who is the hardest hit? guest: the average listener is thinking significant material deprivations. the average newscaster will flash to a homeless family, but the reality is roughly 46 million americans who are labeled by the government as poor, only one percent of them are homeless at any given point in time. close to 50% of all poor families actually own their own homes, typically a three-bedroom house with 1.5 bath. the typical poor family, according to census numbers, lives in a perfectly large house or apartment that is in good repair. about 80% have air conditioning. two thirds have cable or satellite tv. half of them have imputed. half of them have internet access. about a third of them have widescreen hdtv. if you ask them during the course of

plus, a look back at norman rockwell's "freedom from want." judy woodruff. >> ifill: and i'm gwen ifill. we'll see you online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us here at the "pbs newshour," happy hannukah, happy thanksgiving, and have a good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: ♪ ♪ moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> support also comes from carnegie corporation of new york, a foundation created to do what andrew carnegie called "real and permanent good." celebrating 100 years of philanthropy at carnegie.org. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ♪ is "bbc world news america." >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation, newman's own foundation

eastern, deborah solomon recounts the life of artist norman rockwell from her book, "american mirror." visit booktv.org for this weekend's television schedule. >> linda robinson is next on booktv. she talks about the role of u.s. special operations forces in the world today and argues that they will be this country's primary military force for many years to come. she was embedded with special ops in afghanistan in 2011. this is about an hour. >> so, ladies and gentlemen, good evening. so i'm the croatian a ambassador. i'm just -- my role tonight is just a host and nothing else. i'm happy to have for another time in nine, ten months women in foreign policy group at the croatian embassy. i'm very happy to have you here as frequently as possible, because these events are really very nice. and, well, i will, i will say no more except that we are happy, also, that a the embassies -- b that the embassies keep open in washington. [laughter] and, well, my pleasure and honor to have ms. linda robinson here, so -- whom i met at georgetown. we had, we shared one evening, and i must say that prob

that portrait by norman rockwell is in the lyndon b.ohnson room s-211 outside the senate chamber and in this loom is a man who thought about, written about lyndon johnson for 23 years. robert caro, what was it look for lyndon johnson when he had this room as his office? >> well this room, you know, was so ornately decorated then. they called it the taj mahal. coming in here this morning, i could only think of the grand chandelier, the wonderful colors, the gilt, everything wonderful 1th century. but in this room really was exercised some of the rawest use of power. when lyndon johnson was majority leader, he rant senate. nobody has run it in this last century. the last two years of majority leader, he appropriated this office. >> what years were he in the senate? >> he came to the senate in january 1949 following his election to the senate. and he stayed into the senate until he left to become vice president. >> how many years did he have this office here? >> just two years, the last two years. he actually took it away from a committee

the life and art of norman rockwell. 3, the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address.sentences president lincoln spoke. on many campuses, young women are taught that they live it -- society andchal then channeled into low-paying fields. in the workplace, they are cheated out of 25% of their salary, they face invisible barriers, and all sorts of forces that hold them down and keep them back home acute the back of the high echelons of power. this picture does not fit reality. it is distorted. support itlaims that have been repeated so many times they have taken on this aura of truth. late 20th century feminism and contemporary feminism -- she has been labeled antifeminist. authorestions for christina hoff sommers live for three hours. looking ahead, join radio talk show host mark loven on january 5. levin on january 5. >> "washington journal" is next. president obama pardons the national turkey in a ceremony at the white house. in 45 minutes, the aviation reporter for "usa today" talks about the effect of airline mergers on holiday travel. amtrak ridership heading into t

weekend, four ,ays of the tv on c-span2 including deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell. the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. at thent lincoln spoke dedication of soldiers national cemetery at gettysburg at 4 p.m. and 10 p.m. theoming up tonight, november 1963 speech to congress of president johnson after the assassination of president kennedy. reaches out to others in the community. >> five days after the assassination of president kennedy, lyndon johnson addressed a joint session of congress. in his 25-minute remarks, he talked about carrying out the works and mission of his predecessor. [applause]

also, four days of book tv on c- span two including deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwellrsary of the gettysburg address. james mcpherson helps confederate -- commemorate gettysburg. 4:00 and 10:00 p.m. tuesday, the world affairs council of washington dc hosted a discussion assessing the agreement reached on a run's nuclear program. this is one hour and 10 minutes. >> thank you for braving the weather and the pre-pre-holiday traffic to join us tonight or what i'm sure will be a fascinating discussion. before we begin, i would like to take a couple of minutes of your time to talk about some upcoming events and about the council year-end campaign, which begins next week. on december 4, the council hosts dr. henry kissinger for a luncheon at the fairmont hotel. dr. kissinger's topic will be the asia pivot strategy. there are a few seats still available. also on december 4, the council's annual international holiday affair. we will be honoring the ambassador of brazil and his diplomatic team at the 2014 global education gala in march. this kicks off what will be an extended se

one of the most iconic portrayals of the day is norman rockwell's 1941 painting, "freedom from want" which shows a large family seated around a table getting ready to coverb a turkey. it was painted to depict what franklin roosevelt called one of the four essential freedoms, the freedoms americans would fight and die to protect in world war ii. roosevelt reminded us as americans that, quote, we cannot be content if some fraction of our people, whether it be one third or one fifth or one tenth is ill fed, ill clothed, ill housed and insecure. instead, after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward to new goals of human happiness and well being. mr. speaker, we are moving in the wrong direction. right now in america, 49 million americans, one out of every seven households in our country are struggling with hunger including 16 million kids. at this time of great need this body proposes to cut $40 billion from food stamps for four -- forcing four million low-income americans to go hungry. it is immoral. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from vermont

new and innovative, not because this was a moon shot, not because we needed lockheed martin and rockwellvent some new way to propel a ship to the moon, but because we have discovered and we'll undoubtedly continue to discover that efforts were taken to cut corners to meet political deadlines at the ends. that for political reasons rules were not reeight i -- were not n a timely fashion. the rules that should have been created in a timely fashion were still being given to programmers in september of this year. i recognize there are divisions on this committee as there were when obamacare became law. many members including myself believe that there was and is a healthcare crisis in america. a crisis of affordability. and insurance is simply a way to score what that affordability is, not to drive down the cost. many members including myself opposed this new law because we thought it wouldn't work and it had no systems to reduce the cost of healthcare from the provider. my friends on the other side may correctly note as i will here, that's americans are benefiting from obamacare. at the cost

holiday weekend four days of booktv on c-span2 including debra sullivan on the life and art of norman rockwell. thursday at 9:30 and on c-span3's american history tv the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. james mcpherson commemorated the ten sentences president lincoln spokane dedication of soldiers national cemetery at gettysburg 4:00 and 10:00 p.m.. >> up next conversation on u.s. defense policy. topics include the recent nuclear deal with iran, but negotiations in congress and the upcoming u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. from the aspen institute this is an hour and 20 minutes. >> thank you for coming. i am sorry i am not nick but here i am. let me pull myself together. i will briefly introduce michele fluornoy and philip, we were in aspen and i see a number of people in the audience to work in considerably better weather last summer. michele fluornoy is the senior adviser at the boston consulting group from 2009-2012, undersecretary of defense for policy, and principal adviser to the secretary of defense in the formulation of national security and defense policy and military pla

also, deborah solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell. on c-span3's american history tv, the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. the 10 sentences president lincoln spoke. >> 175 years ago, a white southerner from charleston, south carolina, named angelina grimke, became the first american woman to address a legislative body. she spoke before the masses uses state legislator -- the massachusetts state legislature. coming up, this is just over two hours. [applause] >> welcome, everyone. moderatoryour evening . we are here tonight to explore how women become political. we will look at the past and the future,and consider the too. there will be some remarks and the panel of discussion you'd regretfully, senator elizabeth warren is not able to join us because she needs to be in washington. someone has to work. she is there to work in the senate. [applause] has made a short video for us that we will share place of the remarks she would have given. during the evening, we invite you to tweak and send your questions in via twitter at -- t

the one holiday as somehow retains elements of its picturesque norman rockwell past.e the right gift, no obligation to feign delight at receiving the wrong one. there is no war on thanksgiving, no politically correct minefield where you have to be careful not to wish a happy thanksgiving to someone who does not celebrate it. thanksgiving his family and friends commuting for a great feast to give thanks. i am thankful i live in the u.s., the freest country in the world, new york. i am thankful that i am still a journalist after picking that profession and i was in years old. most of all, like most parents i'm thankful for my daughter, a 13 year-old pistol, resilient, funny, with smart, and most important of all, she is kind. so now it is your turn. tweet me. tell the world. what are you thankful for this thanksgiving? your turn to weigh in. tweet us. your comments coming up. tracy: added nine a year and that side. i am thankful that i get to work here. all right. i am sure many of your not thankful for this weather. i know i am not. we are tracking the latest on the st

also, deborah solomon on the of norman rockwell. also, american history tv, the 100 80th anniversary of the gettysburg address. james mcpherson will the memory soldiersdication of national cemetery at gettysburg at 4:00 and 10:00. >> harvard university's kennedy school of government hosted a discussion in september about rick tied and oral history of the effects of digital technology on journalism. press, politics and public policy. here is more about this from one of the researchers, a former editor in chief of time magazine. this is in hour, 20 minutes. lex thank you, alex. river tight. the i will do my best. first of all, i do want to thank people. those sleek, alec jones. making this the best possible destination for journalists re-ing sanctuary, inspiration and great company. authorseaking for my co- when i say that. it is just a great place. can also for the same people who you think. nancy palmer and others. forly, the whole staff making it feel like a home away from home. all three of us are glad to be back home. to explain

american minor" by deborah solomon, the biographer and author explores the personal life of norman rockwell. it is lauren taylor of the history of health care in america in their book, "the american health care paradox", by authors elizabeth bradley and lauren taylor and then finally, "this lane that i love" by john shaw look for these titles in bookstores and watch for the authors on booktv and on booktv.org. >> booktv continues with robert spoo. he talks about the clash between literary pirates over copyrights going back to 1790 and discusses how it has shaped the copyright laws that we have today and this is about one hour. [applause] >> thank you so much. as the dean indicated, most of us and a large number of legal scholars, you might be surprised to learn that an area that is not compelled by law, something that is informal but very organized, and it has grown up to fill the various needs and the various cracks in the wall of law and i am going to be talking about one of those major cracks in the law today and i will be focused on the 19th century in the united states and particularly

holiday weekend, 40 is a booktv on two, including deborah solomon on allies in the art of norman rockwell at 9:30 p.m. a non-american history tv, the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. the 10 sentences that president lincoln spoke at soldiers national cemetery at 4:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. national security adviser susan rice warned last week that china's cyberespionage against the united states is undermining economic relationships between the two countries. next, we have a look at the role of the cyberespionage in u.s. and china relations and we will hear from "new york times" correspondent david sanger. it was hosted by the asia society in the month of september. [applause] >> thank you. thank you so much, tom for the wonderful introduction. [applause] we are privileged to be here with you today. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> we are having this conversation for 40 or 45 minutes, something like that, and then we will leave it up to all of you and all who are watching this on the internet and have a way of sending in their questions to the moderator. those are supposed to magically

also, for days of book tv on c- span two including deborah solomon on norman rockwell. thursday at nine 30 p.m.. the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address, james mcpherson helps commemorate the 10 sentences president lincoln spoke at the dedication of the soldiers national cemetery at gettysburg. several reports over the past year outlined the scope and scale of chinese hacking against the u.s. government and private sector companies. longress conducted a year- investigation last year of chinese telecommunications firm. of that president chinese company recently sat down at the asia society to discuss cyber espionage and attacks with the former c.i.a. officer all chad swede and an author. the moderator is david sanger from new york city. his is one hour, 25 minutes. much and you very thank all of you for joining us here today. because itreat group comes at this issue from a very different angle. it will be my job to try to sew together what areas they will agree on and what they disagree on. the group has been introduced. my plan for the evening is to have a conve

one was an ultra-far right person, george lincoln rockwell, representing the american nazi party. there was another person, norman thompson, the long-term candidate of the socialist party. it seemed to me -- one of them totally left me completely floored in terms of the viciousness of what was said. the other person talk about how his party is so influenced major party platforms and all of that. it occurred to me that our two- party system is too narrow for a country this diverse as the u.s. is. i have been interested in third parties ever since that time. host: let's take a call from cincinnati, bob, republicans. caller: i would like mr. gillespie to comment on the idea that there are people who vote republican and independent that are pro-life, that is the reason they are voting that way, because the democratic party is so radical on abortion. what does he think about the possibility of a third party which was more mainstream antiabortion and economic issues on the abortion and economic issues to attract independents? guest: the response i would make that ross perot in his platf

holiday weekend four days of booktv on c-span2 including debra solomon on the life and art of norman rockwell. tonight at 9:30. and on american history tv on c-span3 the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. james mcpherson helps commemorate the tweet and sentences president lincoln spoke at the dedication at soldiers national cemetery at gettysburg at 4:00 and 10:00 p.m.. >> being a global problem, a closing of the gender gap between men and women we have traditionally known men drink more than women do but what has been happening recently is medicine declining in a risky drinking. women are not at all. this is global and more developed, the richer the country the smaller the gap between men and women's consumption. places like britain and france we are seeing parity where we are seeing young girls in a 20s dying of liver disease which is classically seen as an old man disease. this is a health epidemic crisis, something we need to attention to an open up a dialogue about this. is our favorite drug. it is legal and most of us consume. >> that is correct, exactly. can you talk about th

serving for more than 20 years, we've always expected our health care would be there, that from gayle rockwelling about what happens with veterans under obamacare? >> i have to confess, gayle, that that's a gap in my knowledge. >> nothing -- let me start by saying nothing happens with veterans. veterans already have great government-sponsored health care. they actually have a version of single-payer health care, and it's working great for them, and obamacare doesn't touch that system at all. jon: joseph, you want to weigh this on that? >> tell you the truth, i have no idea. jon: it is a fairly specific area. >> there's a robust debate over whether the veterans health administration is good care or not. >> oh, it's very good care. it's comprehensive care. it delivers care very efficiently. it's really -- there was a rand report a couple of years back, it's really the envy of a lot of health care systems in this country and other countries. l it has problems, certainly -- jon: there were some -- >> there's a lot we could say about that -- >> yeah. it was reformed in the 1990s. now it's doing bet

also, four days of booktv on c-span2 including the life and art of norman rockwell. the 150th anniversary of the gettysburg address. >> i remind will have live coverage of the discussion on the defense partnership between the u.s. and canada coming up at the bottom of the hour at 1:30 p.m. right now a roundtable on the state of poverty in the u.s. and how cuts the government core programs are impacting the poor. >> welcome back. i'm joined now by isabel sawhill of the brookings institution and robert rector of the heritage foundation. will have a discussion about the state of poverty in america. robber, i want to start first with you. figures show one in six americans are in poverty. what does that mean and who was the hardest hit? >> the average listener when they hear the word poverty are thinking of people that expensive significant material deprivations. typically in a tv news story will talk about one in six americans in poverty and then flashed to a homeless family. the reality is that of those one in six americans, roughly 46 million americans who are labeled

rockwell. commemorating when president lincoln spoke at the dedication of the soldiers national cemetery at gettysburg. >> c-span, we bring public affairs events from washington, directly to you, putting you in the broom at congressional hearings, white house events, briefings and conferences and offering complete gavel-to-gavel coverage as a public service of private industry. c-span, created by the table industry 34 years ago and funded by your local cable in canada -- satellite provider. now you can watch us in hd. journal"ington continues. back.welcome a discussion about the state of poverty in america. one in six americans are in poverty. what does that mean and who is the hardest hit? guest: the average listener is thinking significant material deprivations. the average newscaster will flash to a homeless family, but roughly 46 is million americans who are labeled by the government as poor, only one percent of them are homeless at any given point in time. close to 50% of all poor families

the america that many of us grew up with, kind of norman rockwell. i'm surrounded by veterans.ter on with tony orlando and a great presentation and bass pro shop out there. we're having a wonderful time. let me chat with some of our veterans going back to world war ii, jerry. tell us how you came into the service. >> i joined way back before the end of world war ii and went to okinawa. i was recalled fourscore where and served -- for korea. i served a year. >> what does veterans day mean to you? >> it gives me a chance, again, to bring home how important the veterans and those that gave their lives so we could be free and freedom, we don't want to lose it ever. it is so important. >> freedom is not free. you're absolutely right. a woman marine. >> right, i joined the marine corps because my brother and sister were in the marine corps. >> a family thing? >> yes. >> where did you serve? >> quantico, virginia. >> tell me what veterans day means to you. >> veterans day means freedom for all because of those who have served and those who are presently serving and those who died. >>

one was an ultra-far right person, george lincoln rockwell, representing the american not the party.azi party. there was another person, norman thompson, the long-term candidate of the socialist party. it seemed to me -- one of them totally left me completely floored in terms of the viciousness of what was said. talk about hown his party is so influenced major party platforms and all of that. our two-ed to me that party system is too narrow for a country this diverse. as the u.s. is. i have been interested in third parties ever since that time. host: let's take a call from cincinnati, bob, republicans. caller: i would like mr. gillespie to comment on the idea that there are people who vote republican and independent that are pro-life, that is the reason they are voting that way, because the democratic party is so radical on abortion. what does he think about the possibility of a third party which was more mainstream antiabortion and economic issues -- on the abortion and economic issues to attract independents? guest: the response i would make that ross perot in his platform, the cen