really, i think what ultimately the president is going to start doing is putting pressure on rod rosenstein, who is in charge of this investigation, is acting attorney general, and really try to get rod to maybe even cut the budget of bob mueller and do something a little more stagecrafty than the blunt instrument of firing the attorney general and trying to replace him. >> michael, many people say if the president were to get rid of sessions, that would be a step toward getting rid of special counsel robert mueller as well. do you think that's the end game here for him? >> well, it's clear that the president is very upset with the mueller investigation and that he seems unable to go forward with what is probably sage legal counsel which is to let mueller investigate and exonerate him. he just can't get over that. so he keeps doing these things in an effort to undermine the mueller investigation, which i think is only empowering mueller and giving him more support on the hill. legally speaking, rosenstein has some authority over the mueller investigation, but it's not day-to-day supervision

rod rosenstein, who is from baltimore. there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. trump also said his special counsel should never have been appointed in this case, but in an interview conducted with before the president's comments were published last night, rosenstein stood by his appointment of mueller and defended his fairness. >> i made the decision to appoint director mueller based upon his reputation. he had an excellent reputation. really bipartisan support for his integrity. that's why i made that decision. i'm not going to be able to comment upon what he may or may

so maybe rod rosenstein will resign tonight, too. or maybe rod rosenstein should be on resignation watch as well. the president is publicly calling into question his ability to do his job because of his partisan leanings or lack thereof. which is a public expression of lack of confidence by the president in the deputy attorney general who in the case of the russian investigation is the acting attorney general. again, that is the sort of thing that would typically cause a public official to resign immediately. but again, we don't know what to expect tonight. as i also mentioned in this interview tonight, the president casts some aspersions on the deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. we don't yet have a quote from the "times" about that, we just have their characterization of the president criticizing him. so i think we'll wait until we get the transcript, or additional audio from the "times" before we get into too much detail there, rather than going with a paraphrased set of criticism. when it comes to robert mueller, though, t

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then he told "the new york times," rod rosenstein from baltimore and there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. i don't know why he added that.

deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. if the president can't persuade rod rosenstein to follow mueller, and it seems like he probably can't, then he could fire -- heco order rod rosen stein to fire him, and then if rod rosenstein says no, he could fire rod rosenstein, and then he would get into the cycle where he had to keep firing every other ranking person at the justice department from the top down until he found someone at some rank who would fire bob mueller. that is a hard path. that is potentially a long path. what became clear this week is that there is an easier and at least a shorter path for the president. quicker way to do it would be for him to just put someone new instead of rod rosenstein in charge of overseeing the mueller investigation. he may love jeff sessions, but if he fires or quits, trump could appoint a new a.g. who would not be recused from the russia investigation, who would not be recused from overseeing mueller, and then that new attorney general would be appointed to replace jeff sessions coul

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look, fist first is this, the d.a.g., who is rod rosenstein. donald trump criticized him, too, in that new york city last

he questioned the political meaning not overtly of rod rosenstein. the president tends to boil things down to politics and people chose other sides. >> let me read here, it says the president also expressed discontent with when mr. sessions recused himself he said he was irritated to learn where his deputy was from. there are very few republicans in baltimore as odom nat democratic city. it seems like a strong thing for someone to say. >> yes, it does. >> the reason i said that because andrew mccain who's the acting fbi director as well, he suggested he too has a conflict. mr. mccabe's wife. he -- and it guess on to talk about that in governor who was a close friend of hillary clinton and bill.clinton and on and on. so who was he happy with? anyone who was close to the investigation and people he appointed and people he hired he's not happy with them already and it's just six months in. >> i think look -- as i said for him in his mind jeff session's recusal was an original thing. he's very frustrated. remember, there was a whole -- what set off that

> he is going after some of the actual people in charge of the investigation, suggesting that rod rosenstein may be biassed because he is not -- is he from baltimore, and very few republicans are there. >> it's also for him to totally undermine his own attorney general is unprecedented. for him to also say that he wanted an attorney general who could basically direct the investigation. he didn't want someone who would have to recuse himself. he wanted to be able to tell the attorney general what to do on the mueller investigation. >> yeah. to that point, i have to ask you about the relationship between jeff sessions and president trump. they were obviously very close at one point. sessions was one of his early supporters. talk to us a little bit about how that relationship has soured, and i got to ask you, honestly, do you see jeff

told trump to fire comey, that means trump is rod rosenstein!lub situation! ( cheers and applause ) it's fight club! they're the same guy! >> jon: wow, the same cat. >> stephen: i've never seen them on camera together. they're the same guy. that explains why trump can't stop punching himself in the face. ( laughter ) and once again, sir, the first rule of fight club is "don't talk about it." ( laughter ) so for damage control yesterday, the white house sent out trump attorney and mr. burns' lawyer from "the simpsons," jay sekulow. ( applause ) ( piano riff ) jay sekulow was on all the sunday shows-- cbs, cnn, nbc, fox news, "animal planet," and "the handmaid's tale." ( laughter ) so powerful. such a powerful portrayal. and sekulow had one clear message-- >> the fact of the matter is the president has not been and is not under investigation. the president is not under investigation. the president has not been and is not under investigation. >> stephen: okay, clear as a bell. the president absolutely, positively is not being investigated by the de

they may believe rod rosenstein is no longer able to do that.s you know they've expressed a concern that mueller is expanding his mandate to include the president's finances, that he's if you will veering out of control. sessions can't do anything about it and they may feel that rosenstein can't do anything about it. their bet might be to have a new attorney general who is not recused. >> either through the rosenstein path or getting rid of jeff sessions case, they're able to figure out a way to fire bob mueller, in that instance, is there any other part of the law enforcement -- any other part of the justice system in this country that could take up the investigation in mueller's wake? >> as a practical matter, i mean eventually while it might be difficult for them, there are road blocks along the way to firing mueller. president trump could get there if that's what he was determined to do. at that point it become as question for the congress. i think at that point the attention is going to shift from an incapacitated department of justice to a

fire rod rosenstein -- rod rosenstein's is to the departmt of justice lawyers what -- i like him justn rnc lawyer. he's not part of the trump staffing. sessions' hands were kind of tied in some respects. he needed a doj person. move sessions to homeland, put in someone else as ag. >> eboni: colonel, lots of republicans have been upset, feeling like everything has been russia. what about all the things, the tarmac meeting with ag lynch and bill clinton having a conversation with her in the midst of the investigation. >> allen: with the democrats, you have a politicized conviction looking for mystical evidence. we know former president clinton met with the attorney general on the tarmac in a secret meeting and three days later we have the announcement about mrs. clinton. i am still trying to figure out when is everyone in the military going to be able to have their own personal email server in their quarters and they can do classified information. if it's good for mrs. clinton, it should be good for everyone in the military. and we don't talk about the uranium deal. we don't talk about

so his deputy you hardly knew and that's rod rosenstein, from baltimore. very few republicans in baltimore, if any. so he's from baltimore. then he added, now he, we went through a lot of things. we were interviewing replacements at the fbi. what was your reaction when you heard his criticism of rod rosenstein, who did, who was a u.s. attorney in baltimore, highly regarded. a man i assume you know well. what was your reaction to that? >> well, rod rosenstein was very well respected as our u.s. attorney. he was not partisan at all. he worked very well with local officials. he clearly has republican pedigree. that was not the issue. the issue was whether he would be an independent voice as u.s. attorney. would he be an independent voice as deputy attorney general. we think he is. that's why we recommended him to president obama, to retain him as the u.s. attorney. senator mikulski and myself and that is why we also supported his nominee for deputy attorney general. it's just outrageous that the president would demean baltimore the way he does. it's not unusu

rod rosenstein picked the special counsel without running it by sessions first.ems. i know the president is trying to push sessions to get active with collusion by the russians with the rue crane and dnc. and leakers have violated the public trust and made it difficult for the administration to get work done. and all the i lets the hillary clinton campaign was involved in. trish: do you think it a.g. will survive? mollie: i think he will survive. going after one of your most of loyal supporters is not a good way to shore up support from people in the party. trish: make sure you check out lou's new book with jim born, "putin's gambit." viewers are loving it. every viewer whose comment is read on the show will receive an autographed copy of putin's gambit. thank you for joining us. and i see you right back here tomorrow where i see you every day at 2:00 p.m. eastern. lou will be back tomorrow night. he's got a terrific show planned the trend to breaking news this morning. senate gop leaders pick up support for scaled-back bill for obama kerry. with time running out

rod rosenstein would have to do that or someone within the justice department. not only that, in fa if mueller allowed to proceed with the investigation, the justice department has to come to congress and report that under the law. so he has some free reign here and i think it's very important for the american people that we get to the bottom of what happened so then we can move on to 2018 and other elections and know what the facts are so we can protect our elect system. >> rod rosenstein, the person who would be, as you say, responsible for any termination, was pressed by congress about that very issue, and he made it clear that the buck stops with him. of course, he could be dismissed. but did you feel like the assurances that congress received from rosenstein was enough to feel that this special counsel will not be in danger? >> i do. i think so, and then we also heard from christopher ray who did an excellent job at his hearing, the newly nominated fbi director, and he made it very clear that his obligation was to the law and that he was independent of the

so it's not about mueller's qualifications or rod rosenstein's qualifications.s about where he sees them on the spectrum and it's black and white, they're either with me or against me. >> and we should say maggie said he seemed upbeat, when we talk about obsessing and stuff, according to to maggie he seems in a good head space. >> that was the report that i got from several republicans who were in the health care meeting that he had with all republican senators. that he was jovial, that he tweaked senators like rand paul stop going after republicans on tv, maybe i should take you golfing to get you off tv for three days. but this particular issue he seizes on it and expands it. any professional would tell you stop talking about it he can't. >> the white house efforts to down play the second meeting between the president and vladimir putin at the g20 meeting, more on that ahead. ♪ when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites. so, if anyone has a reason

this is rod rosenstein, jeff sessions. i think the problem is, you are seeing the president in the interview with "the new york times" and over the last few days launch attacks on federal law enforcement, his own people. jeff sessions and rod rosenstein but the acting fbi director, former fbi director. obviously wants to discredit the investigation and that's been important. this is a tricky place for president trump to go when his credibility is in question. sarah huckabee sanders says in the briefing today that the president has confidence in jeff sessions when the president said yesterday he didn't have confidence in jeff sessions. >> chris: he has done it in talking about what comey did and the illegal leak led to the appointment of mueller. >> it is telling that nobody around him who's been asked about it has to rule out the possibility of firing mueller. some of the critiques are valid. the question is how often do you make them and if you make them in such a manner that leaves you less believable than the people you

the only reason why you have rod rosenstein oversees robert mueller because that's -- that's why rod rosenstein's the one to oversee it. if jeff sessions is no longer the ag and has a new basis for recusal he'd usurp the role of rod rosenstein and the only person who can fire the special counsel not the president. he knows jeff sessions has leverage over him because the obstruction of justice cloud would loom very large over his head. remember, he fired james comey and there was a reason why he did so, was it because of his usurp patients of loretta lynch role or was it because he was not abandoneding the russian pro. now you've got a president with the "new york times" article who was very very clear by why he was dismayed with jeff sessions and all about the russian investigation. he knows that jeff sessions, if he fires him that on instruction of justice charge looks a lot more realilevant now than it wo before. >> so jim listen, to sort of piggy back of of what laura aji said. why would he need a contingency plan? >> what player to this is commonly throughout the ties between the

rod rosenstein was from baltimore. there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. they addressed these comments today. watch. >> i had the honor of serving as attorney general. it's something that goes beyond any thought i would have ever had for myself. we love this job. we love this department. i plan to continue to do so, as long as that's appropriate. >> i'm proud to be here today and i will be proud to work here tomorrow. >> martha: must go to ed henry on the lawn at the white house. >> one of the reasons why president trump was elected in the first place is because there are millions of voters around the country who believe he delivers a straight talk, pulls no punches. even if that means blistering one of his most loyal lieutenants. that's what we saw here, the president telling "the new york times" -- that paper he likes to call "fake news" and "the failing "new york times"." the president clearly still angry that recusal by sessions paved the way for the special counsel, robert mueller. expanding a probe the president called a witch hunt into potentially t

and there's some question about whether rod rosenstein should recuse himself as well. so i think that the president, in effect threatening the present attorney general, as much as i opposed him is absolutely wrong. maybe there's no legal recourse to it, but i was interested to see that the attorney general said he's staying. >> really quickly i want to ask you as a prosecutorial matter, donald trump established his own red line of what's too far to go into with the russian investigation. in your view, how do you expect mueller to go and how deep will the committees go? is there a red line that you wouldn't look at in terms of his business dealings in the past. >> as a former prosecutor, joy, i can tell you, there are no red lines. follow the evidence, follow the money. that's what robert mueller is doing. and the same is true of our investigation. he is looking at possible criminal charges. which we cannot bring. we are looking at ways to improve the department of justice and prevent the kind of firing that occurred with jim comey among other factors and he can't do th

sessions recusing himself set the stage for rod rosenstein to appointment mueller and on and on and one to say, this is in our story, the president's legal team there is an effort to basically try to limit and undercut mueller's probe. and they are building the case quite deliberately, publically and privately of basically, you know, among other things trying to cite conflict of interests of trying to make the case that mueller is potentially exceeding the reasonable scope of what he was tasked to do, and if i understand correctly, although i'm not a lawyer, could be reasons the president could give for starting the process to fire the special prosecutor. >> because there's no reason for you to make a -- just speaking theoretically here, there's no reason to make a case against what the special prosecutor is doing because the special prosecutor operates independently and can't have his probe shaped by people complaining about it from the white house. the reason you come up with those undercutting arguments is to justify having set a in to fire him. fascinating reporter, washington post

rod rosenstein, who is from baltimore. there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. trump also said his special counsel should never have been appointed in this case, but in an interview conducted with before the president's comments were published last night, rosenstein stood by his appointment of mueller and defended his fairness. >> i made the decision to appoint director mueller based upon his reputation. he had an excellent reputation. really bipartisan support for his integrity. that's why i made that decision. i'm not going to be able to comment upon what he may or may not be investigating, but i can assure you if there were conflicts that arose because of director mueller or anybody employed by director mueller, we have a process within the department to take care of that. we have ethics experts who review any allegations of conflicts, so i'm confident we'll reach the right result. >> joining us here on set is politico's daniel lipman, and also from washington d.c. capitol hill reporter for "the hill" molly cooper. good to have you here on set for a change. l

rod rosenstein was asked, he's from baltimore and there aren't many republicans in baltimore, questioning party. rosenstein said he is proud to be here today and then said he will only talk about the case that they were discussing on cyber crime today. there were no questions on that case. the press conference ended. with me is jeffrey toobin. doesn't sound like attorney general jeff sessions is going anywhere? >> absolutely not. he said the only thing he could say. he showed up at work today and is going to tomorrow. the department of justice is doing important work like this press conference about fighting crime. you know, we'll see if he gets fired. president trump does have a pattern of insulting people without firing them. so, welcome to the club. >> he has a pattern of consulting, then firing. the optics of him firing attorney general sessions after comey are very -- would be very, very bad. there's a lot of talk this morning, i'm sure you heard on twitt twitter sphere and elsewhere the attack of sessions, even attacking the way he testified in his confirmation hearing is a way to t

i think he's very upset with rod rosenstein, he comes in and points mueller. so he's clearly frustrated by this. the interesting thing is what does this mean for? sessions will now have to go out and act as the attorney general knowing that the president basically doesn't want him there. >> and jim, you look at the came of rod rosenstein and more specifically the case of jeff sessions, here is a guy that donald trump and the entire trump campaign would tell you every day this is the greatest guy in the world, this is the smartest man we've ever met, they'd go on and on. but they don't -- obviously donald trump doesn't understand the concept of conflicts of interest. i guess his entire life is testimony to that. but he doesn't understand what is so basic to everybody else th that's been in the law or been in government before, that if you have a conflict, if your integrity may be called into question in an investigation, there's only one thing to do, recuse yourself and yet donald trump sees that act of character as a disqualification. >> he sees it as weakness

version, the 21st century version of the saturday night massacre would be the president ordering rod rosenstein to fire robert mueller and rosenstein doing what? simply refusing? if he does refuse, does the president then fire him and who moves up into the rosenstein position? and how many people have to move up into it before someone takes that position and says, okay, i'll fire him? >> i mean the number three person there would be rachel brand. we've been sort of looking at that line of succession, thinking about if this goes down saturday night massacre-style, like how many people do you have to fire till you get to the robert bork character who is going to do the dirty deed? with what happened last night with the president's attack on attorney general jeff sessions, i think we learned there's a much shorter path here. right now what they can do if they cook up some case about bob mueller being a terrible person and his probe being somehow tainted and some bad thing, they can do two things with it. they can put that case to rod rosenstein and try to persuade him to fire bob mueller. i think

jeffrey toobin, what is a real conflict of interest which would be grounds for rod rosenstein to fire bob mueller? >> i don't think -- it's hard to know in the abstract of what is -- what is a conflict of interest. >> if robert mueller were talking about the fbi job, would that be a conflict of interest? >> absolutely not. as a journal who spent a good time investigating ken star and their staff and their political inclinations, i think it's entirely fair for trump's team to point out if mueller is hiring lots of partisan democrats. i don't think he is, but if that's true, it'ses a perfectly legitimate issue for trump's people to investigate. they are not mueller. mueller is the decisionmaker. and if there is a less political person in a prominent place in american life, i don't know who it is. mueller has a very clean and apolitical record. >> so david sanger, much of this comes from "the new york times" reporting, your outlet, but there's also some "washington post" reporting this morning that says that the president and his team are also exploring how far-reaching the president's p

rod rosenstein may or may not agree to do it. if not, it would start to go down the chain of command and he would have to find someone who would agree to fire mueller. and that's -- and that would be a direct replication of what happened in the saturday night massacre in 1973 -- >> so you're really time traveling today. >> it's the only parallel that we have. >> it is. and it's -- it would be a precise parallel if you have justice department officials refusing to fire an outsider prosecutor. >> except the president's counter to all of this analysis would be, yeah, but that was a crime. you had a crime in watergate. there's no crime hear. this is all just open questions and speculation, because of what the russians did, that they always do, and that we do also, by the way, which is this election interference and it's all nothing. >> that has been the president's approach to this whole thing, which is that this whole thing is absurd, because there's no crime. but that assumes the conclusion of the investigation. maybe mueller will

and has no now basis for recusal, he would usurp the rule of rod rosenstein. the reason the president of the united states, in my opinion, is trying to bully him from the pulpit he has right now as opposed to outright firing somebody who is an appointee in his administration is he knows jeff sessions has leverage over him because the obstruction of justice cloud would loom very large over his head. remember, he fired james comey and there was a nebulous reason for why he did so. was it because of his usurpation of loretta lynch last year? you have a ft. wipresident withw york times" article who was very, very clear, why he was dismayed, to say the least, about jeff sessions and the russia investigation. so he knows jeff sessions, if he fires him, that obstruction of justice charge looks a whole lot more relevant now than it would even before. >> yeah. so, jim, listen, sort of piggyback off of what laura just said and jeff, contingency plan for what? what is the -- why would he need a con ttingency plan? >> well, listen, don, it's difficult to figure out where

rod rosenstein said the same.that question, he's from baltimore and not too many republicans from bullet more, that rosenstein is too slanted to serve in that role. >> public officials sticking to the script, saying what they're supposed to say and not, as jonathan said, inflaming the situation. we know that president trump does not play by those rules. he says what he thinks and and if it's not particularly helpful to his agenda, so be it. we've seen this time and time again on twitter and in interviews where he says what's on his mind. in this news conference today, what we really saw was much more of a traditional political stance. >> sure. what would you have asked sessions if you were there? >> did you think about resigning? >> looks like he wants to stay on the job. >> i would like to know. >> the sessions piece, smaller part of a bigger puzzle. the idea that russia is weighing on this president all the time. his lawyers saying don't talk about it. >> and goes out and talks about it. >> his advisers saying d

the topic of rod rosenstein comes up.is from baltimore where there are very few republicans. that's his reaction. he's not thinking in a sort of thoughtful, logical way. >> for republicans. listening to this. the only take-away should be opportunity lost. this was an opportunity of a lifetime for republicans to get to their agenda. and listen to what the president said when asked about his ties with russian businessmen. it's extraordinary. >> i mean, it's possible there's a condo or something, so, you know, i sell a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows? i don't get any money from russia. they said i own buildings in russia. i don't. they said i made money from russia. it's not my thing. i don't do that. >> no one said he owns buildings in russia. they said he got money from russia. he's a licenser. he doesn't build them and pay for them himself. >> i have to say i think the condo point is a smart point because it's a good way to explain there might be some links there, i have connections to

right now he's being overseen by rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, who is the acting attorney general for the purposes of this investigation, anderson. so what would happen is then his new boss, the new attorney general, who doesn't have this issue, would then be the most senior person at the justice department who has oversight of what mueller does. keep in mind when mueller does find anything, if he decides that he wants to refer this to congress or perhaps impeachment, it depends on rod rosenstein or whoever is in that position to make the official referral to congress. >> i've got to get a quick break in. later, the president's son, his former campaign chairman both reach a deal on their scheduled senate hearing next week. we have breaking details on that as well on a very, very busy night. choicehotels.com. badda book. badda boom. that's it? he means book direct at choicehotels.com for the lowest price on our rooms guaranteed. plus earn free nights and instant rewards at check-in. yeah. like i said. book now at choicehotels.com you wto progress.move. to not just accept wh

now, robert mueller reports to rod rosenstein. but rod rosenstein could also be terminated.ook, the constitution is very clear. the president is t chief executive officer and has the ability to hire and fire executives who work for him and that would be the case with either rod rosenstein if he chose to and he's not doing that or robert mueller. and it's clear the president has the ability to do. robert mueller reports to rod rosenstein because jeff sessions recused himself. >> if the president is unhappy with the attorney general and he's been saying that day after day after day after day, why doesn't he dit down with him man-to-man, face-to-face and have it out? >> look, i think the president is going to have that conversation with senator sessions and to jeff's credit there's things he's been doing particularly with the justice department cracking down on ms-13 preventing additional border crossing and enforcing the laws that's important to the president and i know the president is thankful for the work jeff has done in that regard. >> you say he'll sit down and talk with

and trump was just as unhappy with jeff sessions's deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. "yeah, what jeff sessions did was he recused himself right after, right after he became attorney general. then i said, "who's your deputy?" so his deputy he hardly knew, and that's rosenstein, rod rosenstein, who is from baltimore. there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. so, he's from baltimore." all right? you get the message? are you getting the message? donald trump doesn't trust baltimore. i mean, just look at his review of "the wire." "one star. very few republicans." ( cheers and applause ) ( laughter ) and again, keep in mind, we're only half a year in and trump isn't going anywhere. and he's going to run for re-election. ( audience booing ) no, you have to get ready for this. he's running for reerection and we at "the late show" are ready to project what that baby will look like in another six months. ( laughter ) we've got a great show for you tonight. jason bateman is here. but when we return, i take you inside trump's presidential suite in moscow. ( cheers and