. >> rodell? >> therein lies the point, that republicans don't like the irs. they flefr liked the irss. >> oh, you do? you love the irs? you love it? you love paying taxes? >> angela? >> i love paying my fair share. they're an easy target. liked to say one other thing. the way the republicans have presented this is lois lerner two years ago knew she was going to -- knew that she was going to do what she did so she erased all of these e-mails two years before there was an investigation. she then sent an e-mail to her i.t. people saying, i've lost awl these e-mails to cover her tracks. i don't believe that. lois lerner must be the best criminal mastermind ever. could it may be just be that the computer crashed? >> no. >> rodell,s let me ask you something, you being an astute politicians and very savvy, if you lost your e-mails and you went to the irs, before the irs, knowing they're investigating you, said, i lost all my e-mails and the hard drives for the last seven years, how would you anticipate them treating you? >> this is what i would say. back in 2006 whe

and back with us, rodell. i'm hoping you can help me understand something. seem to recall after the 2012 election republicans went through this whole autopsy where they were trying to figure out how to expand their potential electorate, how to appeal to minority voters to black voters in particular. senator thad cochran did this very successfully in this last race. and yet there seems to be a significant section of the republican party that is none too pleased with it. >> what they were trying to do, their issues, they were trying to ride a tiger called the tea party and make friends with the villagers all at the same time. and at a certain point you realize, hey, if i keep riding this tiger i'm going to end up inside it. that's what happened to eric cantor and that was what was about to happen to cochran. at that point you say it's time to get off the tiger go make friends with the villagers and survive. and that's what he did. >> john, i love that analogy. and i love this strategy. i think it's really exciting and i love that african-american voters in mis

how likely is it that her inevitability falls apart at this time, rodell? >> i'm honestly not sure.extent that republicans have made it their mission to bring her down just day after day after day it doesn't surprise me that her poll numbers have gone down. at the end of the day, should she run and i hope she does, this is going to be an election between two people. this is not just going to be about hillary clinton. it's going to be about hillary clinton and who they manage to salvage and get her through a primary should she win her primary. so, you know, for right now it is just about hillary clinton because there is no one else. but this will wind up -- this won't be a referendum. this is going to be like any election. this is going to be a choice. >> and it's certainly not just going to be about benghazi either. >> of course. >> even in her foreign policy accomplishments that i think can be positive for voters on benghazi. i think that she's dodging and weaving in the right way. she's been very sincere and made these fog of war comments which reflect what i've heard from people