the judge basically said, look, there is a whole bunch of backstory stuff about rodney joffe and datarectly to sussman's knowledge when he made the false statement, we don't want to go that far. almost diminishing returns on some level when you start to go that far down the rabbit hole for a little bit more damage against sussman. elizabeth: this isn't over by any means? just with the sussman trial? when this concludes that will have a lot of legs to it? >> i'm sorry. i think the sussman trial -- elizabeth: go ahead. >> i think the sussman trial i'm having a little audio feed problem. i think trial will be much more directed about sussman. there will still be moments to shed light what the clinton campaign did and how academics are willing to data mine to help get to this false story. the big issue is out there, whether or not he will go to other buckets of potential departments and other -- elizabeth: there is lot to go into. journalist matt taibbi pointed out, the clinton campaign planted false stories, alpha business, trump hotel sex tape that carter page was a russian conduit, int