life and not give him a judicial trial that's a very high standard it's not insurmountable in the rodney king case several years ago it was met with regard to illegal seizure if you will of mr. king it wasn't a death but it's still a very exacting standard and it's the rare case that you do get convictions when i was in the department there's an effort to prosecute 8 national guardsman for kent state killings after the cambodian vacation and they were all acquitted but that's what you have to prove not only the acts but a mental state of mind that specifically intends to deprive a constitutional right i don't think it's fair to just pick out a single isolated case and say well the system is terrible because maybe it miscarried on one or 2 occasions i remember that kind of refrain was said we should have jury trials after o.j. simpson was acquitted of charges of murder but we kept jury trial system we are human there are going to be imperfections i don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater and see government protesters in hong kong are promising to find its own chief executiv

one of the events that really stuck with me when i was growing up was actually the rodney king riots.ved in southern california at the time, and my parents had a restaurant in inglewood, california. i can remember smelling smoke, seeing ashes where we lived. it was incredibly scary because we didn't know if we were going to lose that restaurant, if it was going to be burned down, if it was going to be damaged, and it was our entire livelihood. and i remember there were a lot of conversations at that time around what it was that government to do to create more opportunities or help people be more successful, and that stuck with me. it stuck with me because i remain believe government has a role, government has a responsibility to change the outcomes for communities, to create opportunities, to help people go to school, to help people open businesses and be successful. >> make sure to be safe, and of course to have fun. >> and then, i think as you continue to serve in government, you realize that those convictions and the persons that you are really help to inform you, and so long as yo

none of us other than the american indians who are ,ndigenous so why can't we just like rodney king timeget along and move forward, our children's lives are at stake and our future is at stake and we cannot continue like this. if we do not take a positive approach to resolving this, what are we doing to our country, to our future, to the next generation? we are allowing them to believe they can live and eli becomes lietruth -- lie and the becomes the truth. host: democratic caller, new york. caller: my question for robert 17 intelligence agencies stated that russian interfered in the election and my question is did russia interfere in our election? the answer is yes or no. you go further and say in such and such a date, candidate trump came on national tv and back to beggedto give him -- russia to give him females of his opponent and asked for wiki leaks to give him information on hillary clinton. did mr. trump say those words on national tv? it.tape is there, the said does not have that conspiracy where he asks russia to help them win the election? that is conspiracy. when you interact

the officers who beat rodney king would never have served anymore tie if not for the federal prosecution. we count on the department of justice. that's the place that you go when the state and local system has failed african americans traditionally. and it's been very clear since the trump presidency and since jeff sessions and now cosigned by attorney general barr that that resource is no longer available to us. this is -- this is a very important moment that we have to recognize. and so this is true with policing. sessions announced he'll do no pattern and practice investigations of unconstitutional policing. that means the baltimore investigation would have never happened. the ferguson investigation would have never happened. we're seeing the incursions in the department of education. we're seeing what ben carson is allowed to do in hud. we're seeing across the board a full-on retreat from the federal government being involved in enforcing civil rights law. >> someone says, well, there is the president's words and his tweets and then there is the actions of the government, what is you

. >> nawaz: one of the things you do throughout the whole book, you talk about the beating of rodney king uprising in los anles. you talk about the shootings of philando castile, and others. what was it you were trying to do in making those connections in ts book? i think the stakes are raised when music criticism understands the world that music is being i releaso, because that affects the way that music is heard. that affects the way that peoplt engage wit that affects the way that people 'rescape from the world th living in, or run to it with re vigor, right. it was important for me to write about a tribe called quest with the same kind of historiatl reverence e see the beatles written about, we see the rolling stones written about. i waed to give a tribe calle quest the same kind of reverence. at nawaz: so a tribe called quest had a sound as uniquely all their own. but they clearly pulled from other places.ce they influa lot of other people. where did they kind of exist in the american musical landscape? >> a tribe called quest was, at least in t early days before samp rules changed,

. >> nawaz: one of the things you do throughout the whole book, you talk about the beating of rodney king ug in los angeles. you talk about the shootings of philando castile, and others. toat was it you were tryin do in making those connections in this book? >> ihink the stakes are rais when music criticism understands the world that music is being released into,ecause that affects the way that music is heard. that affects the way that people engage with it. that affects the way that people tocape from the world they're living in, or rut with more vigor, right. it was important for me to write itout a tribe called quest the same kind of historical reverence that we see then beatles writout, we see the rolling stones written about. i wanted to give a tribe calledh quessame kind of reverence. >> nawaz: so a tribe called quest had a sound that wasir uniquely all twn. but they clearly pulled from other places. they influenced a t of other people. where did they kind of exist in the american musical landscape? >> a tribe called quest was, at least in the early days before sample rules changed,

wanted to bring it forward to john delaney on this sunday, one of my early reporting stories was on rodney kingen we see some of the open wounds that existed from then through ferguson, through new york and garner, these are things that have not been healed. when we see this sort of discussion happening from the office of the presidency, if you are a critic of dealing with this, well, you are saying, this isn't what should be said. why are we throwing more gasoline on something that's still hurting? >> yeah. i think it's clear that the democratic nominees cannot ignore race, they cannot ignore its place in this debate. it's going to be front and center from now through november and beyond. they have to address it head on. not only did the last week bring up some painful episodes in recent history, like you brought up, they're going to be in detroit. that's the blackest city in the country. it's my hometown. they will have to address what the president is doing, but also address the very needs. detroit is a microcosm for a lot of things that members of the black community want to hear. they want

and not give him a judicial trial that's a very high standard it's not insurmountable in the rodney glen king case several years ago it was met with regard to illegal seizure if you will of mr. king it wasn't a death but it's still a very exacting standard and it's the rare case that you do get convictions when i was in the department there is an effort to prosecute 8 national guardsman for kent state killings after the cambodian vacation and they were all acquitted but that's what you have to prove not only the acts but a mental state of mind that specifically intends to deprive a constitutional right well given the standard is so high it can seem to the casual observer who does not have the legal training that this does not seem like justice has been done it appears that this officer has got off scot free no charges will be brought forth message do you think this sends about the legal system as it stands. well i think maybe your statement is a little bit incomplete because busy the city did pay $5900000.00 to the family for a claim of wrongful death moreover it wasn't just the federal depar