if you want to go back further, there was a guy named rodney mcdaniel, who was secretary of the national security agency under counsel under ronald reagan. he told a commission that only 10% of classification was for legitimate protection of secrets. think of the implications of that for national security. everybody here takes a national security responsibilities seriously. they protect secrets. they view that as a code of honor that the protect secrets. how many people who are cleared into these programs we have been talking about take seriously these kind of criticisms that have real national security implications -- over classification, how much that limits debate, how much that limits what we can know about and hinders a solution to the problems that we have been talking about. i can elaborate on those things, but i think it is something we should all consider when we are talking about cyber security and figuring out how to protect the country from cyber attacks. are the smartest people who are dealing with that issue -- is the universe of all the smartest people in the country who a

if you want to go back further, there was a guy named rodney mcdaniel, who was secretary of the national security agency under counsel under ronald reagan. he told a commission that only 10% of classification was for legitimate protection of secrets. think of the implications of that for national security. everybody here takes a national security responsibilities seriously. they protect secrets. they view that as a code of honor that the protect secrets. how many people who are cleared into these programs we have been talking about take seriously these kind of criticisms that have real national security implications -- over classification, how much that limits debate, how much that limits what we can know about and hinders a solution to the problems that we have been talking about. i can elaborate on those things, but i think it is something we should all consider when we are talking about cyber security and figuring out how to protect the country from cyber attacks. are the smartest people who are dealing with that issue -- is the universe of all the smartest people in the country who a