and women's right to choose those that the supreme court overturning roe v wade and then more r aditional with the bounty hunters and mississippi but ire believe the court is trying to do this and over the past 30 years to overturn roe the v way. however i don't think they will say we overturn roe v wade because thatth would make people angry but that would just express the 15 week abortion ban as mumbo-jumbo to reimagine of planned parenthood with abortion rights. the same thing goes on and texas that they will eventually get around to stopping is the bounty hunter business you cannot violate the constitution by deputizing private citizens to do the workso for you. we just can't have a society that's what they will do and it's in terms of violating the constitution. so ill the dad eventually weather at some point in the near future eventually scotus will get around to stop the bounty hunter system because of that can go forward then it's hard to have a system of laws. host: why? is it is written in your opinion what could private citizens do? >> just take it to a logical enconcl

the reason why roe v. wade draws, just to be clear, the reason why roe v. wade draws the line at fetal viability is because legally that's the only place it makes sense to draw the line. at the point where the fetus can live outside the mother, can live without the mother's generosity and largess, ok. at that point, you have a legitimate interest or could argue you have a legitimate state interest in the health, safety and future of that fetus. but beforehand, before, when the fetus is attached to the mother and cannot do anything, cannot survive, without the mother's nutrients, bloodstream, whatever, like, that has to be an internal bodily autonomy choice for the woman and anything less is nonsensical at the -- as a legal proposition. if we start from the premise that women are people, then the right to their own bodies has to be one of the very most fundamental people rights that we have. host: what are some other key cases you're watching this term from the supreme court? guest: oh, so, by june we're going to be in situation where you will have more right

overturn roe v. wade. the last three presidential elections, won by republican, were won by tiny margins. that were achievable, only because republican voters, care about the supreme court enough to turn out, and create that very tiny winning margin, voting for the kind of supreme court justices that they want. and now republican voters have the supreme court they want. a two thirds majority, of all most all the votes to overturn roe v. wade. donald trump appointed three of the justices. who were really chosen by mitch mcconnell. who seem now ready to overturn roe v. wade. george w. bush appointed two of them. and george h. w. appointed one of them. in 1991. so, if you're one of those voters who skipped the 1988 presidential election, because you didn't see much difference between the democrat and republican, that's why people were protesting this weekend. if you didn't vote in 2000, because you didn't see much difference between the democrat and republican, that's why the constitutional right to abortion

how does this directly the future of roe v wade? the suweme — future of roe v wade? _ future of roe v wade? the supreme court has - future of roe v wade? tue supreme court has the future of roe v wade? tte supreme court has the case future of roe v wade? "ttj: supreme court has the case in front of it now, out of mississippi banning abortion at 15 weeks gestation. the reason it is a big deal as the court could have taken less explosive cases but it took this one, and probably with the intent of upholding this law. the reason that a significant is roe v wade says there is a right to choose abortion until friedel liability which is around the 24th week, a full nine weeks after the mississippi law takes effect, so the court has to reverse review wade in its entirety or change viability as the dividing line which would put roe on shaky ground indeed. it's nearly half a century since ruby wade passed, why is this coming to a head now? t5 a this coming to a head now? is a combination _ this coming to a head now? is a combination of— this coming to a head now? t3 —. combinat

, ask then as you say, if roe v. wadecken, then it will be up to the states to decide and 11 states already have laws that are called trigger laws and say if roe v. wade is stricken, abortion will be banned here. so women -- i mean, i appreciate that they're marching today, but they better get their shoes on because we're about to have roe v. wade overturned by the supreme court, and then women all across the south, particularly poor women because rich women can just fly to new york and california. poor women cannot. >> so with regard to this, cynthia, you have said this repeatedly on this broadcast that you are very fearful in a really real way that roe v. wade is going to be overturned. maya, do you share that feeling? >> well, you know, i definitely agree with cynthia that this is a supreme court that trump has designed to overturn roe v. wade. donald trump ran on a campaign platform and said i'm going to overturn it. i'm going to appoint the judges and justices that will help get that done. i think that the reality he

this 15 week ban blatantly and intentionally runs up against roe v. wadeo the case comes to the court with mississippi explicitly asking the court to overturn roe v. wade, to overturn and go against decades of precedent. we have seen from all the justices and their confirmation hearings or at various points in their prudence talk about the importance of what is called -- which is respect for precedent, especially precedent that has shown to be workable, that people have relied upon in their daily lives and in fashioning plans and practices and decisions, so clearly the precedents are deeply embedded in the way that the majority of americans conceive of their individual rights and liberties. the majority of americans do not want roe overturned. the constitution clearly protects bodily autonomy, it protects equal citizenship in the idea that one commune equal citizen without making decisions about their own reproductive capacity doesn't seem to fit with the concept of equal citizenship. going into this decision, and i think the texas ruling allowing that six

. >> roe v. wade belongs in the trash heap of history, it's time for roe to go. >> this special edition of "nightline," "the appointment," will be right back. tresemmé's pro pure collection lets you style without compromise. tresemmé pro pure 0% compromise, 100% you. tums vs. mozzarella stick when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> the clock is ticking and this texas college student can feel every second pass like a lifetime. >> you can just have a seat right here. >> it's like, i'm pregnant, i'm trying to get an abortion -- >> reporter: for thousands in this state, these are desperate times. >> drowning is the best word to describe it is drowning. >> abortion rights battle playing out in texas. th hhl restrictive abortion law. >> thousands protesting in cities across america. >> reporter: tonight, a deeply intimate jour

or hollow it out and say, this is consistent with roe v. wade and so narrow the holding of roe v. wade that essentially any state in the nation can ban abortions after a comparatively early period in a pregnancy. >> so widening this out, this supreme court's approval is at an all-time low, according to one poll and we've seen several of the justices going around, doing speeches, making speeches, trying to restore faith in the court. justice alito the other day saying that the court wasn't a dangerous cabal, for instance. do you get the sense that they're getting further out of sync with the public sentiment on an issue like abortion and that that may lead to moderation in the future? or is that just wishful thinking on the part of liberals? >> i think no moderation in the future. this is preparing us for what's about to happen. this is a huge term that will start on monday, october 4th. it's not just the abortion case, it's gun control, it's religious rights, it's freedom of speech, it's potentially affirmative action, it's money in politics. th

this 15 week ban blatantly and intentionally runs up against roe v. wade so the case comes to the court with mississippi explicitly asking the court to overturn roe v. wade, to overturn and go against decades of precedent. we have seen from all the justices and their confirmation hearings or at various points in their prudence talk about the importance of what is called -- which is respect for precedent, especially precedent that has shown to be workable, that people have relied upon in their daily lives and in fashioning plans and practices and decisions, so clearly the precedents are deeply embedded in the way that the majority of americans conceive of their individual rights and liberties. the majority of americans do not want roe overturned. the constitution clearly protects bodily autonomy, it protects equal citizenship in the idea that one commune equal citizen without making decisions about their own reproductive capacity doesn't seem to fit with the concept of equal citizenship. going into this decision, and i think the texas ruling allowing that s

i think overturning roe v. wadeould have the opposite effect of diminishing their ability to work when they want to work to space their children when they want to space their children. but if there if there's interest in furthering women's participation in the workforce, there are a range of policies that actually do that like childcare, for example. >> representative howard, do you have anything to add? >> i would agree with what was just said. the fact is that as i said in my opening, i came of age before roe v wade and i'm well aware of the obstacles that women had in making educational and employment choices for themselves if they found themselves pregnant and did not have many options other than to carry that pregnancy to term it. it prevented them from their very destinies. >> well, she goes on to say that women will be more empowered because there are numerous laws enacted since roe adjusting pregnancy discrimination requiring leave time assisting with childcare more. i would be really surprised frankly if mi

this law, even though it looks like it's inconsistent with roe v. wade really isn't. well, that's frankly ridiculous, and the judge pretty clearly wasn't buying it. he essentially said, well, you know, if this law is so obviously consistent with roe v. wade the way you guys read it, why did texas work so hard to make it almost impossible to review judicially by taking enforcement out of the hands of texas officials and putting it completely in the hands of private vigilantes and bounty hunters who couldn't directly be sued by the clinics. and there really was no answer. in fact, that first argument by the state of texas that this law is perfectly okay under roe v. wade is one that no member of the supreme court, not any member would buy today. it's simply that they ducked the issue last time. the second big argument that texas made is that basically the united states has no business going to court in order to get this law reviewed, even though nobody else apparently is able to review it. the united states has no stake in this, and that also didn't fly very well. one of

its intention to hear jackson's women's health organization versus dobbs, a case that challenges roe v. wade this december. it would provide severe penalties for providing abortions after 15 weeks of present -- of pregnancy. there is no path for the supreme court to uphold the mississippi band without overturning roe for holding that every pregnant person has the right to decide to continue their pregnancy prior to viability. abortion restrictions are part of the intertwined system of oppression that deny black and indigenous people of color their rights. i'm pleased to say that senate majority leader schumer has announced his decision to bring the lot to the floor for a vote so women are free to make decisions about their lives and bodies in consultation with their families and physicians, not all logicians. thank you. chair pallone: thank all of you for your extremely powerful testimony --chair maloney: thank all of you for your extremely powerful testimony and for sharing your stories. there will be demonstrations across the country. i'm grateful for your dedication and your being here to

its intention to hear jackson's women's health organization versus dobbs, a case that challenges roe v. wadehis december. it would provide severe penalties for providing abortions after 15 weeks of present -- of pregnancy. there is no path for the supreme court to uphold the mississippi band without overturning roe for holding that every pregnant person has the right to decide to continue their pregnancy prior to viability. abortion restrictions are part of the intertwined system of oppression that deny black and indigenous people of color their rights. i'm pleased to say that senate majority leader schumer has announced his decision to bring the lot to the floor for a vote so women are free to make decisions about their lives and bodies in consultation with their families and physicians, not all logicians. thank you. chair pallone: thank all of you for your extremely powerful testimony --chair maloney: thank all of you for your extremely powerful testimony and for sharing your stories. there will be demonstrations across the country. i'm grateful for your dedication and your being here toda

>> it's time. >> reporter: although roe v. wadehe controversy and the debate never went forces to fight against new laws like sb-8 which makes most abortions in texas illegal after six weeks. >> how can you be pro life and force a young girl to become a mother before she can even get her driver's license? >> reporter: it's a legal battle that began 50 years ago. >> my name is norma mccoryey, aka jane roe. >> reporter: in 1969, norma was 20 years old and living in texas when she became pregnant with shelley. she had already given up two daughters for adoption. wanting to terminate this pregnancy, she sought to challenge a state law that made abortion illegal. and against all odds, she won. but 22 years later in 1995, she famously and very controversially changed her stance, joining the radical anally abortion group operation rescue. >> ms. mccorvey, what happened? >> i became a christian. tuesday night i was baptized and now i have changed my position on choice. >> reporter: then in 2017 -- >> this is my deathbed confession. >> repo

roe v. wade was decided in the supreme court, confirming the right to an abortion. shortly after, i was a congressional staffer for congressman rundell and -- ron elem. he said, i certainly would like to prevent, if i could legally, anyone from having an abortion. then he went on to say, unfortunately, the only vehicle available is the medicaid bill. the hyde amendment was racist and discriminatory, so i'm proud to be the lead cosponsor for the act this year. for the first time, we fought hard to remove the hyde amendment from the bill. i think about people like rosa jiminez, a latina, who died because they hide amendment denied her the ability to have a safe abortion because her insurance were not covered. this is why i share my story with you today. i have two wonderful sons, five grandchildren. i don't want anyone to experience a world without access to the full range of reproductive services, including abortion. i want them and every person to be able to make their own decisions about their bodies and lives. i proudly prove -- last week i proudly voted for the w

this law clearly violated roe v. wade, and it's deeply disappointing and devastated that our courts have abandoned the people of texas at a time like this. >> what does it say -- obviously texas is your heart. you know the state, despite the politics of it. it's been in the news over the last month. what do you make of what has become of your state when it comes to these sort of laws? >> you know, i think it says a lot to other people. when you look at this law, our voting rights law, the fact that anyone in texas can carry a gun now without a permit, the fact that we have a governor who is mandating that our schools can't keep our kids safe, requiring the wearing of masks, there are a lot of people, and we're hearing more and more these stories of individuals who are not wanting to come to texas, salesforce, of course, offering to pay the moving costs and relocate every one of their texas employees. this will ultimately have a ripple effect. maybe not with some companies like elon musk, but it definitely have s having a

roe v. wade asks about viability. it is not a numerical measure the. roe v. wade doesn't want to hear about weeks, it wants to just know about viability, which a doctor can decide. so when the fifth circuit had a chance to review that mississippi law that named the limitation at 15 weeks, the fifth circuit said this is unconstitutional and that was appealed. that's the case that's going to be heard in december. what's interesting, in my view, in terms of the texas law, is that because the fifth circuit has already struck down a 15-week restriction, i think there's no question the fifth circuit would also strike down the texas law. but because the supreme court has agreed to hear the mississippi case, it's likely the fifth circuit in the texas case will wait until the supreme court rules. so that in the event the supreme court in the mississippi case overturns roe v. wade, that would have substantial impact on what the fifth circuit thinks about texas. so i think the point is, if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade in the mississippi case, the texas law wil

this is the first direct challenge to roe v. wadeoney barrett, who is now on the bench. that is concerning for all of us. amy: alexis mcgill johnson, thank you for being with us. president and ceo of the planned parenthood federation of america and the planned parenthood action fund. when we come back, from one activism to another, climate activist. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. . thousands march through milan, italy as leaders met for the precut 26 summit in a year that has seen record-breaking heat waves, floods, and fires. actavis also spoke last week at the "youth for climate" conference in milan. this is ugandan activist vanessa nakate. vanessa: my name is vanessa nakate. i live in paula, uganda, a country that has one of the fastest changing climates in the world. in the past few years, i have seen more and more how the climate crisis is affecting the african continent, which is ironic, given that africa is the lowest admit or of co2 emission

in the early 1970's, before roe v. wade, you pioneered the fight for reproductive rights, but what is happening today puts these five decades of progress at risk. ms. steinem, since roe v. wade, has the right to abortion ever been under greater risk than it is now? than it is today? you need to unmute, ms. steinem. ms. steinem: i do not remember any time of greater risk, and i'm sorry to say that i believe it is also connected to a racial bias in this country because we are at a point when we are about to become a majority people of color country, which seems to me a great event in a way. we are going to have better relationships with other countries in the world, understand differences better, but i think there is a profoundly racist resistance to the continuation of the right to safe and legal abortion, and we see that in the nature of the resistors and the nature of their politics. it is absolutely fundamental that we control our own bodies. there is no democracy without that. we are fighting for their very basis of demo

what's the future of roe v. wade. was set up is basically assuming that the u.s. supreme court is going to strike down that roe v. wade precedent to allow bans like this on the substance as early as six weeks to go into effect. and that is where we are with that mississippi case. mississippi case involves -- it's a little bit different. it involves a 15-week ban. the supreme court has some choices. it can take that up and decide it will overturn roe v. wade. we're not going to overturn it, we're going to say we think this law fits within that. so that creates more of a problem in this texas case because we really don't know where the parameters are. if they let the law continue to be in place in texas and say that there is no way to enforce it. so it's a really complicated legal mess but it was crafted that way purposefully by these texas lawmakers who knew that this is the way to make it as difficult as possible for courts, even the u.s. supreme court, to be able to come in and do something to try to stop the law. >>

of pregnancy. mississippi is republican. attorney general wants the court to overturn the 1973 roe v wade ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. it's incredibly important that we make sure that we uphold roe v wade. and if that doesn't happen, we need a federal protection under the law to make sure that women and doctors all around the state of michigan and all around the united states are not literally imprisoned and are turned into criminals simply for exercising the right to choose. well, i actually have 2 daughters here, and of course i want them to have control over their lives later when they grow up . so it's really important to come out here in a unusual, castro has more from one of the rallies in austin, texas. texas is now ground 0 of the abortion battle in the united states abortions here have been effectively bad since september when it became illegal to carry out the procedure. after a fetal heartbeat is detected, that is usually around 6 weeks of gestation, which is b for most women realize they're pregnant. that ban has resulted in texas, women being forced to continue

in washington, where demonstrators here and around the country are sounding the alarm to defend "roe v. wade." >> yuccas: plus, president biden speaks out as divided democrats stall his agenda. >> everybody's frustrated. it's part of being in government, being frustrated. >> yuccas: royal wedding in russia. for the first time since bolshevik revolution, the romanovs are back. in rome, the battle is on to save the city from insect invaders. and later, hostile homecoming: new england readies for tom brady's return. >> i love all that he did for us as patriots fans, but i am not rooting for him on sunday. >> this is the "cbs weekend news." >> yuccas: good evening. i'm jamie yuccas in los angeles. adriana diaz is off. for much of this year, americans have had ample supply and access to coronavirus vaccines. despite that, the u.s. has one of the world's highest covid death tolls. it now tops 700,000. those deaths are fueled by a summer surge of infections among the unvaccinated. today, president biden issued a statement saying, "on this day and every day, we remember all those we have lost to thi

they believe in roe v. wade. the only people that seemingly don't believe in roe v. wade are the people that have the power. and so it's time to take our power back. it's time to get out there, and make sure that we send a message to these power hungry people, we need to go ahead and send them home because they aren't doing the jobs they were hired to do and they were hired to serve the people and they're not serving us right now. >> you're talking about roe v. wade, there's a real fear that roe v. wade could be dismantled and fairly quickly. women of color have already faced many barriers in health care. how could banning abortions create more barriers for women of color? >> yeah, so first of all, let's talk about texas in general. texas leads when it comes to maternal mortality amongst women of color. maternal mortality is an issue in this country in general when it comes to women of color, and texas leads in that. texas also leads in uninsured. and one of the things that judge pitman put in his opinion, he put in there that it's actually safer to have an abortion t

so that's why mississippi's law is a direct challenge to roe v. wade. now, when the state appealed to the supreme court, it said, you don't really need to take on roe v. wade directly. you can decide our case without doing that. but then, in recent months, when the state submitted its final briefs to the court, it said the court should overrule roe v. wade. so roe is definitely on the chopping block in this mississippi case. and before this term is over, jose, the texas abortion law that would restrict abortion after just six weeks could be back to the court after the court, about a month ago, declined to stop the law from going into effect. >> and victoria, let's talk about the significance of this moment. we're talking about the two states now that have these much more restrictive abortion guidelines. what is the impact of this? >> so it's the disconnect, jose, right? so what we're seeing is these two laws that could very potentially overturn roe v. wade as we know them, being very much disconnected from the average american view on abortion. gallop ha

place through a shadow docket, late at night, without even mentioning roe v. wade. the supreme court is extremely hostile to roe v. wade, they have five votes to overturn it. they have a case in front of them, the mississippi dogs case, and it looks like they're either gonna overturn roe v. wade, or so restrict it that none of us are gonna recognize it anyway. so i see nothing but bad news, it's infuriating, it's infuriating to me that none of these judges, either on the fifth circuit, or on the supreme court are listening to stare decisis, and and hearing to that basic principle. i find an infuriating, i also find it infuriating, that the congress has had 50 years to pass a women's right to control her own body, they've never done it. and we've never been important enough to them. and, it's time to have a little bit of a revolution. >> all right, eugene, those are sobering words. and as i don't need to explain to you, stare decisis you to be the bedrock of conservative jurisprudence. as we want knew it. let me ask you if you're reporting sheds any light on any react

try to figure out how you skirt around it, where maybe it's not essentially directly related to roe v. wade but the damage is still being done, and i think that is what is so scary and also making american women doubt this protection that they have under roe v. wade, because of the legal loopholes that they are finding. >> chipping away is what you're suggesting, at bare minimum, that's what they're doing, chipping away at the law. >> absolutely, alex. >> yeah. okay. victoria, it's always good to talk with you. thank you so much. >>> the fight on capitol hill over spending bills, what's in, what's out, and how big will the numbers really be? we've got some answers for you ahead. be? we've got some answers for you ahead. ♪ ♪ dignity. it demands that we can still do the simple things. so it demands life-changing technology, to relieve chronic pain. ♪ ♪ as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual to relieve chronic pain. knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. [ nautical horn blows ] i mean just bec

on its docket is an abortion rights case out of mississippi that would reverse roe v. wade in that state. setting a legal precedent for other states to do the same should the conservative majority court rule in favor. now, thousands of women hit the streets in chicago yesterday, joining millions in other cities protesting in advance of this scotus term. and in solidarity with the women of texas. after the six-week abortion ban signed into that state last month brought down a justice department lawsuit, it would appear that reproductive rights will be one of the pivotal political fights of the next year. what should democrats be doing to help? >> well, reverend al, let me just underscore, we simply passed out of the house of representatives. it's now in the senate, the women's health protection act. this is an act that would insure that actions like those taken in the state of texas would not be legal and have the standing of law. i'm very glad that we had a massive turnout here in chicago yesterday, in washington, d.c., and all over the country. this is a baic fight to insu

the supreme court since "roe v. wade that there's a right to choose abortion before viability. so, if the court is going to uphold this law as we expect it to, the court will either have to overrule "roe" entirely or will have to say that pre- viability bans are okay and potentially open the door to all kinds of legislation and to a decision overruling "roe" down siv: ift s li either, in a way, texas sets its precedent and is upheld, but inevitably you will have other states possibly creating their own rules in response, and then you've got challenges that will bubble up to the supreme crt. if it's not this case from mississippi, the court is likely to hear about abortion again. >> absolutely. there are two cases that the court is debating taking at the moment. both invol what-- what's often referred to as "reasons bans." so, laws that say you can't have an abortion in cases, for example, of a diagnosis of down syndrome or for purposes of sex selection. the court could decide to take those cases any time, right. and at's

roe v. wade, voting rights. in many respects one might even say the ability for safety from police might be a human right. that being some element of the george floyd justice in policing if you really want to stretch the constitutional definition of what human rights are. but listen. kevin mccarthy is sitting in the house praying that things like this don't happen. and mitch mcconnell had no compunction about the filibuster as well. it has been carved out for some issues. it should be carved out for this as well. >> when you say including the george floyd justice in policing i have zero issue with the idea of not being killed unjustifiably by police in america should be a human rights issue. that is not complicated. >> that's what i would think. you know, individuals who don't agree with that, they should -- we should take away their american card on that one. >> representative, always good to see you democratic representative of the u.s. virgin islands. back with me is democratic senator mazie hirono of hawaii.

she insisted nobody would vote to overturn roe v. wade. wade. we'll see if the court comes back to t. she's getting jittery. she's concerned. maybe they want to overturn roe v. wade. there's no mechanism for her to do this while you have the filibuster in place. it would get two, maybe three republicans. it's just -- it's going no place. >> right. tara, i was going to ask you, can susan collins -- can senator collins find ten republican colleagues to help get it over the filibuster so that it can have a debate and pass at a simple majority? >> no. susan collins is the queen of fecklessness when it comes to legislating and you've seen that over and over again. to joan's point, how many times have you heard susan collins talk about how deeply troubled she is about something? it's become a running joke. i'm surprised "saturday night live" hasn't done anything on that yet. she just won re-election. she has six more years. she doesn't have to worry about another election for quite some time. she says things to look like she's doing something, bu

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like mine where it's already a felony and the only reason it is unenforceable today is because of roe v wade and the second that roe v wade falls this term, which we believe that it will, it will automatically become the law again. i have statewide jurisdiction criminally we know that making abortion illegal doesn't stop it from happening. it just makes them unsafe. women routinely died each and devery day from illegal abortis and they were not properly medical staff. women are going to be pushed back in and it's not just the medical providers that often times the women having these procedures and what would occur if they would testify. to supporting and securing the health, welfare and safety all across my state i wouldn't be prosecuting these cases and then i would be working in concert with the democratic prosecuting attorneys or they wouldn't have to worry about being criminally prosecuted so this is incredibly important in my state. it will save lives and i will tell you right now if any of the republicans running against me when, they will have special enforcement where they have all o

this is a direct violation of roe v. wadeppointed district judge, and a conservative-controlled fifth circuit, both took mississippi's law and threw it on the whale, that's how obviously violets evolve roe v. wade the mississippi ban is, but the supreme court, 6 to 3 conservative, at least for conservatives on the through supreme court decided, no no no they want to hear that case, they want to argue about that case, this is a case that would never be in front of a split core, or a liberal court. but it is absolutely in front of a conservative, core so however it comes down, whether it's merely a rollback of roe v. wade, a weakening of roe v. wade, that kind of gutted the voting rights act from the inside out. whether it's that are a complete overturning of roe v. wade, as mississippi has asked for, the window is all the way over, here were fighting over what's the right wants to fight about, because if we weren't, this case would not even be here. >>, aly do you think the court should be expanded? >> yes. by a lot. you just

, missy said okay, now you really should overturn roe v. wade. rovide a right to abortion. roe v. wade was wrongly decided. the questions here are, you know, was the supreme court right the first time and even if some justices think it wasn't, will they say under that prince. that's known as stare decisis, a legal decision long standing that the country has come to rely on, should it stand. >> it's a different court, 6 to 3 and all that entail. thank you so much. joyce vance, of course, as always. >>> we're only four days away from virginia's crucial gubernatorial race. its impact on the midterms and beyond. we have the inside scoop on that. the neck wave of voters will decide the nation's future. stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ty, but we lose control. ♪ ♪ ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ and we need insights across our data silos, but how? ♪ if i go there will be trouble ♪ ♪ ♪ wait, we can stay and go. hpe greenlake is the platform that brings the cloud to us.

good sign to some extent, that they're also considering the merits, because there's no way under roe v. wade that they can uphold this texas law without completely gutting and destroying roe v. wade, right? they have to take it away completely in order to uphold the texas ban. and they really already have a case pending, as pete mentioned, that's going to be heard december 1, where they're going to decide a less aggressive restriction on abortion rights. so it would make no sense to me, this is the good news piece to me, i think, it would make no sense to take this case up for the purpose of overturning roe v. wade. that's how i feel. >> correct me if i'm wrong here, i'm kind of trying to get my head around this. this is exactly what abortion rights activists kind of wanted, right, to challenge the constitutionality of this law, because it very well may be struck down, sb 8, if it's found not constitutional. >> yes. in september, when this court had a case to say things about it, it wasn't a holding but they had a chance to say things about it, it was clear even the conservatives had concern

now, most of the time, woman who explicitly seek abortions are protected because of roe v. waderoe v. wade falls, that explicit protection ends. and i think what you can see in these cases is there is a real willingness among prosecutors to go after women for their pregnancy outcomes. >> just to underline a point that you made, michelle, this is not anecdotal. in your research, you found over 1,200 cases of this happening. >> the national association -- i'm sorry. national advocates for pregnant women has been tracking this since 1973. and they found several hundred, i believe, between 1973 and 2005. and then a huge uptick from 2006 to the present. >> right. underscores your point about how that tracks, then, with the way in which this has been approached. i want to ask you, though, how much of a role did the lack of access to reproductive care play in these cases? is there a corollary? >> well, there is definitely a corollary in the brittney p. case in this case in oklahoma that we're talking about. she told investigators both that when she became pregnant, she didn't know if s

legalized abortion in 1970, three years before roe v. wade. i was able to have a perfectly safe late-term abortion because my mother refused to sign the permission slip for many, many months. but then three years later, roe was passed an then a few years later, the hyde amendment for people who abortion care -- health care is provided by the federal government and that is women and the military and women in their services through the indian health services, poor women and all of those things. so every since the hyde amendment was enacted, people's health care have been treated as second class citizens. >> right. >> and they are discriminated against because of how they're health care provided, not their medical conditions, but because they are either serving our country in the military, on a reservation where they have to use the ihs, or poor women or in the peace corp and those kind of things. and so it should be a constitutional violation to set up a second class citizenship for people simply through a regulation called the hyde amendment and

when roe v. wade was decided the scientific consensus was a baby had to be 24 weeks old to experience pain. however, we know that this is not true. that babies can feel pain as early as 12 weeks. unfortunately this is why the u.s. is only one of the very few countries that allow elective abortion past 20 weeks after life begins. dr. scott, modern day science and research have changed our knowledge on the true point of viability. do you believe the laws surrounding viability should be updated as well. >> absolutely. i think we need to acknowledge the science that we have experienced since roe, and amend our abortion legislation accordingly. >> thank you. and also we've heard that in today's hearing that abortions have gotten safer over the years. i can't imagine how that's possible when the baby doesn't come out of the procedure, but when we're talking about the procedure having gotten safer over the years, is that true that it's gotten safer for the mother? >> it has gotten safer. along the way, our s

>> i do not believe roe v wade is going to be overturned. believe the supreme court will observe the legal principle in the landmark decisions. if it is, we will codify it here in new jersey. i support a woman's right to choose. i've been very consistent on bodily autonomy type decisions. i've been consistent on my body my choice. so, yes if that's what we need to do in new jersey to protect the woman's right to choose, we will do that. >> mr. murphy, you have time. >> i will be happy if you are right about roe v wade up i'm i'm notexpecting that with thisp packed supreme court. reproductive freedom act is essential and by the way this is a decision not decided by you or me. a decision to take that difficult step is a decision between a woman and her doctor, period. it's not about you or me. >> thank you both. we have to move on. we are going to switch to diversity and inclusion here. mr. murphy, numerous studies found new jersey schools are among the most segregated in the country. several years ago a coalition of education and social justi