they support roe v. wade. they're also uncomfortable with abortions -- >> third trimester. >> end of the second and beginning of the third trimester. so the plan here is to essentially try to replace the viability standard. >> and start marching it backwards. >> time. >> and start marching it backwards and use the idea of fetal pain as a kind of new substitute scientific standard which will allow them, again, to kind of push the limits back further and further and also to, you know, further make people uncomfortable with abortion. >> terry o'neill. michelle goldberg from "newsweek" and the "daily beast." >>> today congress heard from chief of the central security service and commander of the u.s. cyber command. this guy. that's right. this one. all three titles. introducing general keith alexander, next. oothes, lifts, ? red jars are all the same right? wrong! you need three uses of a $15 cream to equal the moisturizing power of one use of regenerist microsculpting cream. seems not all red jars are created equ

you know, 77% of voters leaving the polls in 2012 said that they wanted roe v. wade to remain the law of the land. that included 35% of voters who identify as pro-choice -- pro-life. pro-life voters who don't want roe v. wade to be overturned. these men are swimming up against the desires of the people of this country and u think there will be repercussions. >> the politics on this issue are economcomplicated and in a equilibri equilibrium. people want the status quo. terry o'neill from the national organization for women. thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> now that comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform has been passed in the senate, it's up to john boehner to get his party to pass it in the house. and it's up to us to make sure he doesn't weasel his way out of it. that's coming up. irl) what does? (guy) dive shop. (girl) diving lessons. (guy) we should totally do that. (girl ) yeah, right. (guy) i wannna catch a falcon! (girl) we should do that. (guy) i caught a falcon. (guy) you could eat a bug. let's do that. (guy) you know you're eating a bug. (girl) beca

by the republican-controlled house to ban most abortions after 20 weeks is a direct challenge to roe v. wade. susan mcginnis is in washington with more on this. susan, good morning. >> anne-marie, good morning. this is considered a big victory for conservatives in their long battle against legalized abortion. democrats call it one more example of the republicans' war on women. but for many, the question lingers. with this bill having no chance of going any further, why would the house bother to pass it? >> the bill is passed. >> the house of representatives with mostly republican votes approved a bill that restricts nearly all abortions after 20 weeks of conception. now it moves across the capitol where its fate has already been sealed. >> it is dead on arrival in the senate. the white house and the president will veto it. >> despite the bill's inevitable defeat, republicans say this man is the reason they moved forward on a vote. >> it is indeed an appropriate response to kermit gosnell's house of horrors. >> dr. kermit gosnell was convicted of murdering three babies after they were born at

. >> roe v. wade is supported by 70% of americans. >> they hope to create their own reality and own set of science. >> unfortunately, they can't stop talking about rape. >> if it is a legitimate rape. >> the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> but congresswoman -- >> good evening, i'm alex wagner, in for lawrence. today, the republican-controlled house passed one of the most restrictive abortion bills in ten years, with a vote of 228 to 196, the house approved the pain-capable unborn child protection act which would ban most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. current law under roe v. wade protects a woman's right to an abortion, up until the fetus is viable outside the womb, which is usually around 26 weeks, six democrats voted for the bill. >> so often we come to the floor and we will hear members say we are doing this for the children. or that for the children. and i have to tell you this is one of those days that we truly can stand and say yes, indeed. we are taking an

they've done it ever since roe v. wade. democrats are forcing this issue, this rape issue into the debate of abortion. >> how do you respond to that? >> listen, most, the majority of democrats or self-identified democrats across our nation are content with the supreme court's ruling on roe v. wade. they want to see that stay. they want women to have choices in their lives. and we are not the ones that bring these issues of abortion in laws or as bills as mr. franks has. >> when we talk about the republicans getting, i guess, foot-and-mouth over rape and abortion it seems that they are making missteps when it comes to women in general because we've had example, democratic senator carl levin siding with military commanders against a plan to take the prosecution of sexual assaults in the military out of the chain of command. explain your reaction to that because this is certainly a big blow. >> well, honestly thomas i would agree more with the chairman than i would with the gillibrand bill. she's a good friend. she used to be

this bill is a direct challenge to roe v. wade and shows contempt for women's health and rights, the roles doctors play in their patient's health care decisions and the constitution. and yet, it is full steam ahead for the gop. this morning blackburn took to the airwaves to defend the bill's integrity. >> representative franks has apologized for his comments and the bill has been amended which does allow the exceptions for rape and incest and the life of the mother and that was the appropriate step to take. what we are seeking to do is fight the kermit gosnells and to end this practice of late-term abortion. >> given the utter futility of the effort, last week speaker boehner was asked why exactly the house was taking up this piece of legislation. >> listen. jobs continues to be our number one concern. while we continue to be focused on this, there are other important issues that we have to deal with. and after the kermit gosnell case and the publicity that it received, i think the legislation's appropriate. >> just to recap -- th

challenge to roe v wade. abortions maylity be banned only if there are meaningful examples. this is attack on women's health. importanto find medical decisions out of the hands of women. instead, and trust those decisions to congress. it is a misguided efforts. i oppose the bill and i reserve the balance of my time. >> the gentlelady from tennessee is recognized. >> at this time i yield three minutes to one of our great pro- life advocates. she is from tennessee. >> the gentlelady from tennessee is recognized for three minutes. >> a thinker for yielding. when i first became a nurse over 40 years ago i took a bow to devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care. that i am this spirit proud to rise today in supports capable of thein child protection act. ins legislation would be late-term abortions after 20 weeks. i want to say that again. it would ban late-term abortions after 20 weeks. this is aced on undisputed scientific evidence which tells us that unborn children at 20 weeks and older can feel pain. these are babies. they can feel pain. late-term abortions o

roe versus wade. we'll see texas and other places going against roe v. wade. >> michael: and that would be an example for other states who want to follow that same path. texas is a complicated state. it's a huge part of our immigrant population but it does send some of the most conservative members of congress to congress. ted cornyn, rick perry is now saying he's delaying whether he's going to run for governor after the special session. people are saying maybe wendy davis will run for governor for texas. it would be a logical move how she she has a sudden celebrity. you wrote the book on this. what would you say in red state texas. >> first of all, it's a purple state. wendy davis needs to continue the stand she took for the voting rights act which the supreme court got this week, and which by the way saved her senate seat to begin with when she was running for city council in fort worth, and only to a challenge of the roting rights act was that community able to come together and have a district in which wendy davis could even be serving in the senate.

coordinated consolidated resources and efforts with one single goal in mind -- either overturn roe v wade we criminalize abortion or make it absolutely impossible to access and therefore legal in name only. >> what are the links to citizens united? >> fantastic question. one of the reasons why the book looks at the onslaught of legislation after 2010 is because there is an explosion at the state level. it is in large part due to one of the driving forces which is james bopp junior who is a legal brains behind the challenge that created the citizens united decision. he sparked along with this group, a lot of the initial campaign finance charges and did so through socially conservative groups. as a result of the unrestricted spending at the state level, it is where we are at right now. >> robin marty, if you could talk about the loss of targeted abortion, a provider laws, otherwise known as the heartbeat ban? trape heartbeat ban and laws are different breed we're looking at how there are a variety of ways of going after abortion regulation. in one case, you can ban abortion at different per

it's fairly close to what roe v. wade sets out as well, 22, 24 weeks. in fact, not many abortions happen after 20 weeks. when they do, it's usually because the mother is in deep distress and it's a painful decisions mothers have to make to get abortions. i think it's something like 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks. what we see from this is a galvanizing effort. already ofa has been sending out messages to their supporters saying they want to fight these measures in these different states and see courts also move to block these measures to put tighter restriction on abortions in north dakota, i think, there's a measure passed that put it at six weeks. in arkansas, it's 12 weeks. in arizona, another law passed that was at 20 weeks. and courts have very much stepped in. you have seen this wholesale shift in the antiabortion movement going from essentially waiting for a roe v. wade to be overturned by the supreme court to really chipping away at this timeframe, at these different state legislators. it's been a real battle, i think, they have successful

this debate wasn't in it by roe v. wade. the republicans have been using the issue politically without having to deal with the calamity that would come if they get to outlaw abortion. they get all the advantages of debating the issue without having to deal with the reality of it because the court protects them, ironically. isn't that it? >> exactly. they will go at it over and over and over again. they will say that science is on their side. when this notion that fetus feels pain, that doesn't happen till the viability mark probably 24 weeks. none of us like talking about this stuff. but again and again, we're shoved into having this debate over a bill that will never become law. and i don't get it. i don't know what michael's party is doing. >> well, we have michael here. it seems to me, i've read a lot of newspapers this morning. one of the articles was it may have been in politico, the republican party, i think it was michael gerson in the of washington post said you've got to protect your christian conservative right. it

the republican house said a time frame contradicts roe v. wade.s original sponsor was congressman trent franks who embarrassed some of his republican colleagues with one of those patented male rape comments that hurt the party so badly last fall. >> before when my friends on the left side of the aisle here tried to make rape and incest a subject because, you know, the incidents of rape and -- resulting in pregnancy are very low. >> indeed. joining me now a leading voice against the legislation, senator barbara boxer. i know it's not going to pass the senate, it won't be signed by the president even if it did. what are they anything what do you think other women who -- women and men should say about some of the medical claims by these republican congress members? >> i think what they're doing is just continuing this war on women that they said they never waged because if you really look at the cases at about that stage of pregnancy where they say in essence really no more abortion, there are cases where women have developed blood clots which are he

they remember roe v wade, where they wiped out state law and they do not want to make that mistake again>> to what do you attribute this, a change of heart by the american people, or great public relations?mark? >> both. the argument for equality in marriage as opposed to any perceived preference has worked as a public argument, but i do not think there is any question there has been an enormously effective media campaign. i would point out that i think the court was saying get this issue away from me, and i think the political fallout is we saw in mrs. michele bachmann and mr. louie gohmert, you will see it energized the base of the republican party on an issue that is not popular, in which the party will have to respond to. in this sense, it is a blow to the republicans, to the degree that they, all of a sudden, especially in the house, embrace this issue, which they have already done in both this year. i think it is a problem for them. >> you see that in the house so distinctly. when this case is before the court, i had a difficult time finding leadership members of the house that wou

first year in congress was the year roe v. wade happened. >> absolutely.y feel one of the problems we've had is that they've been able to define it only about the fetus. no one ever looks at the mother. we're terrible on safe motherhood issues. people watching this wonderful pbs show dontown abby, people are tying of pre-eclampsia. they made this myth it's about wonderful women wanting to wear prom dresses sxand wanting to g rid of a baby. the media is terrible. when you talk about gay marriage, you're talking about two individuals and people who want to support each other. a lot of people think that's a very good value in our system. >> what should we know today? my answers after this. be an e- and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any other place in the world. in fact, we've invested over $55 billion here in the last five years - making bp america's largest energy investor. our commitment has never been stronger.

six months not to we you know i am one as you know everyone is a mystery i am with you and with roe v wade that once a fetus is viable there was a great france and russia and the interesting thing about viability this wasn't just twenty to twenty four weeks that you know that was in there but this was this was there was all kinds of awful stuff and also it was a ban on late term and a restriction on the poor practitioners of them so they were basically. saying to these planned parenthood you've got to become a hospital and you know they're not going to be able to meet them but the plastic surgery but the rehab on the hospital that's ok because he's made her money out of . hers you get the last word or things. coming up president obama said during a speech at georgetown yesterday the time to act against climate change is now but is the white house's plan really enough to stave off global catastrophe. the same story doesn't make it news. no puff pieces tough questions. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you h

pop up not just in texas but all across the country katie why do you think that forty years after roe v wade we're still seeing this issue at the forefront. you know i don't know i thought it was interesting i don't know if many people know this but sarah weddington is actually a texan and lives in austin texas and i was her assistant for a few years in college and i would always ask her why is this still happening and she said if men could have children there wouldn't be a fight and so i think the fact that the original points of order on center davis the fact that they were made by men the fact that it was lieutenant governor do hurston senator duncan acting as chair of the senate at the time. really does drive leader. line that you know it was women on the house floor who were fighting for our constitutional rights and it was men who were trying to deny them and in some pretty unscrupulous ways as well the rules of the senate are pretty clear and. i would probably say i guess maybe ten to fifteen times points of order poison inquiry and even moves to adjourn were not heard by the republic

pop up not just in texas but all across the country katie why do you think that forty years after roe v wade we're still seeing this issue at the forefront. you know i don't know it was interesting i don't know if many people know this but sarah weddington is actually a texan and lives in austin texas and i was her assistant for a few years in college and i would always ask her why is this still happening and she said if men could have children there wouldn't be a fight and so i think the fact that the original points of order on center davis the fact that they were made by men the fact that it was lieutenant governor do hers and senator duncan acting as chair of the senate at the time. really does drugs leader line that you know it was women on the house floor who were fighting for our constitutional rights and it was men who were trying to deny them and in some pretty unscrupulous ways as well the rules of the senate are pretty clear and . i would probably say i guess maybe ten to fifteen times points of order poison ink worry and even. moves to adjourn were not heard by the republicans an

not to what we you know i am one as you know everyone is a monster we are i am with you and with roe v wade that once a fetus is viable it. was a bit random and rush and the interesting thing about bio. bill that even this message this wasn't just twenty to twenty four weeks that you know that was in there but this was this was there was all kinds of awful stuff and also it was a ban on late term and a restriction on the poor practitioners themselves they were basically saying is a lot i want to say to these to planned parenthood you've got to become a hospital and you know they're not going to be able to meet them but the plastic surgeon but the rehab lockdown the hospital but it's ok because he's made their money out of. course you get the last word or thanks for coming up president obama said during a speech at georgetown yesterday the time to act against climate change is now but is the white house's plan really enough to stave off global catastrophe. they were ready to do anything for their country to me is to love the country more than yourself if you joined the military for any other

against judicial review it's frankly what his last comment that's that's my argument my concern about roe v wade was that the court stopped the debate in the united states so i'm just curious what you think of what it's a sham like ask you you know you said it from a conservative point of view that yes the judge is having more power than the other branches of be a scary thing is that not scary to you i mean do you want a balance i think the i think that this is trans you know the progressives and conservatives should be equally concerned about this they sat with you know the the unelected branch of government basically saying look we haven't we don't longer have a constitutionally limited representative democratic republic we have a constitutional monarchy and these nine people are the monarchs and they get to decide what becomes a lot of what doesn't and they get even make up policy you know the idea that corporations are people for example was never proposed by any legislature anywhere it was invented out of whole cloth by these guys ok what you read and misinterpreted was the basic complaint

even liberals like ginsberg, i just did a piece on her, where she said i think roe v. wadee states to go one on one, and i don't agree with her. if that were the case abortion would still be illegal in many states. if you move from massachusetts to alabama as a married same-sex couple, you are out of luck and will remain out of luck for the indefinite future. >> stephanie: yeah look at all of these egregious laws in state after state that they are trying to take away a woman's right to choose in one way or another. in some ways -- you have to report a miscarriage to the police within 24 hours or you can go to jail. >> and for all that we are talking about civil rights and voting rights and same-sex marriage, abortion will be back at the supreme court sooner rather than later, and, you know, that is the great issue of -- of the supreme court of the last generation, you know, the struggle to keep roe v. wade. now what has happened since 1992, the court said well you can't outlaw abortion but you can basically regulate almost anything about it, and the interesting thing will b

the case she's making is that much like i think rowe roe v. wadede. and whereas with roe v. wade, it has been around for awhile. i think the right is under the impression that they can attack it and get away with it. >> matthew breen is with us right now. he can help us break down the legality of this. >> from the advocate. >> hal: hi, matthew. are you with us? >> yes very good morning to you both. >> hal: thanks for being with us. now, clearly a huge deal. >> yeah. fantastic day. >> hal: what's the highlight for you and what are the caveats? >> the highlight is essentially that although the supreme court did not rule on same-sex marriage unto itself, whether it was a constitutionally protected idea or not, they did allow that the states determined who can be married which is the case in -- for example prop 8. the court decide decided that california gets to decide who gets married and they have their processes for that and then the doma case, the court eliminated the federal government's interference with the rights for a american. if you're in a

considered voting for a supreme court justice which would overturn roe v wade. i would not. he says that heat things billionaires were paid too much. i don't think that there. i think that they have to pay their fair share. mr. gomez says that he would not turn them into weapons of war. set on top of that you're right he still has, who he worked for as he brags about his business acumen, and i do believe that the people of massachusetts have a right to know what he did in the private sector. >> let me come back to the question. how are voters opposed to trust you as a candidate without knowing more? help us out here. >> every single day meet people and having the honor. they know that of a first-generation american. they know that i have the honor to serve nine years in the military in the navy. one of only two people. they know that i earned my way to a harvard business and then know that i earn my way to a successful career. they know that, you know, we provide sector employees such as futures spot buying, police officers, and a lot of others such as president obama. we be

it's not about roe v. wade.t's not about access to abortion with planned parenthood, it's about after viability. that's what they are talking about. this woman has the gull to go on national television and say if you oppose that then and you are white, you are doing it because of you want to a white supremacist society. this is just sick, is it not? >> i have to say, bill, you know and you have done talk radio, and i will have some really crazy people who carry around a portable grassy no with them call my snow and i have never heard of this. i have never seen a blog or web site i did check everywhere on something like this or a kind of theory. my understanding from pro-life individuals regardless of their color, whites as well, whether it be for first trimester or late term abortion is that they consider life to begin at conception. they consider abortion to be murder. that has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin. having said that separately do i think and do i know that yes white aaron resistance, sk

. >> do you worry that there will be a right-wing backlash of the kind that roe v. wadeced for the next decade or two? >> no. i think that backlash happened. we're sort of in a backlash lash at this point. and because this decision was not as sweeping as roe versus wade. it still allows every state to make their own decisions. my worry is that there will be an overplaying of our hand, and that people will try and force this more quickly than we really should. what i'm proud of so far is that we have done this the right way. we have done this state by state. we've done it legislatively, we've done it through argument, through that kind of -- what the founders wanted us to do. make our case bit by bit, persuade more and more people and move that forward. i don't want anybody's religious liberty, i want that to be defined as maximally as possible. we do not threaten and should never threaten the conscientious beliefs of those who disagree with us but we should welcome their freedom because it's our freedom too. and so i'm very concerned actually that we may become intoleran

. >> conservatives said one thing was not accurate it was roe v. wadeut in row they monopolized the field. they didn't leave states to hash this out. so conservatives and americans want to bottle this out, that is -- battle this out. marriage has been in the realm states. from a policy standpoint or political standpoint to have these battles. >> 13 states allow same-sex marriages. there are handful of other states that allow civil unions but not same sex. in the doma decision it only pertained to same-sex marriage. could you make the case a state like new jersey that allows civil unions to say, wait a minute, they are only offering federal protection for people that are actually married therefore it is unconstitutional for you, governor, to put me in a civil union as opposed to marriage? >> it's unconstitutional but it's a political argument. i think it helps people that are looking for a movement towards a more inclusive definition of marriage. i don't think the biggest problem conservatives have with the courts. biggest problems is the american people

. >> you menon childre and those are the children who survive. 54 million abortns since roe v wade. 54illionn this country. what has been the impt of at? what does it say about our society, our high school dropouts. eric, your thoughts on this study and what it portends. >> i'm so used to liberals telling conservatives that they're anti-science but this is liberals who defend this and say it's not bad thing are very anti-scice, when you look at biology, look the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in soety and other animals, that the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or not competing, it's a comementary role. s people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships in nuclear families and it's tearing us apart. what i find interesting in the survey is that three-quarters of the people surveyed recognize that having mom as the primary breadwinner is bad for kids and bad for marriage and reality shows us that's the truth. >>olittcians won't y it. that's wt bothers me, eric. you know what, they are so scared, they are so m

many democrats argued that a 20 week limit is a violation of roe v. wade.ublicans are trying to slowly chip away at reproductive rights by whatever means necessary. yesterday, an unknown hero stood up against the anti abortion bill literally. wendy davis was a single mother, took classes at the local community college and transferred to texas university, going on to get a degree from harvard law school. she challenged the incumbent for the senate seat, and she won. >> when everyone said it couldn't be did you they made fun of us. of me when i entered this race. they said what, has she lost her mind? is she crazy? we did it, because we worked hard, and we did it because our message was a message that appealed to texas families. >> she went on to fight for education, family budgets veterans education and redistricting. she helped pass a bill that would push to get 20,000 untested rape kits back into investigation. last year, she filibustered a bill that would have syphoned $5 million from education. >> we were all exhausted. it had been particularly grueling

clearly a violation of roe v. wade. you know, in some say what is interesting is that they are becoming more and more and more aggressive. i believe because they are so afraid of the tea party wing of the republican party. i said earlier that to a friend of mine, i said, we need to stop calling it pro life. they now have become to be pro why. they are trying to require teachers to actually give false information to kids about reproductive health in north carolina. in ohio they are trying to shift tax money to crisis centers that time and again have shown to give false information about their current health conditions. >> some measures require doctors to give misinformation to their patients. thank you terry o'neal for joining me. thank you senator van deputte. we are with you tomorrow. >> thank you. we will need every voice. >> thanks you. senator, you're a hero. >> next, same-sex marriage watching history and ideology clyde. stay with us. this is disrupt on msnbc. >> electing mitt romney, getting iowa state reform for

it's caricatured as a reaction to rural -- to roe v. wade but it's only a small part of the story of the revival of traditional and mores in the united states. much of the traditionalist revival was fueled by a no promotion to homosexuality idea. that homosexuality was yes, still malignant. the reform should not take place and that in anything any kind of movement to render gay people anything less than outlaws would be an incredible emotion of homosexuality. this rhetoric gained a lot of steam ironically in the 1980s, the very point when hours versus hardwick was being litigated with the aids epidemic which was associated with homosexuality generally, and gay men in particular. most interesting parts of the book, the period after 86 when gay-rights rebounded in fact more strongly than ever, not just inspite but i argue because of powers. lawyers of all sorts including myself came out of the closets only after bowers versus hardwick declared everybody potentially and all. the state cannot declare all gender and sexual variation to be a malig

this war on women's reproductive rights, and how this 20-week ban goes up against what we know as roe v. wade well, women have been accessing abortions in large numbers, one in three women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 1.3 women need abortion services every year. we were interested in this large assault on access to abortion. so for a long time the fight was really about trying to affect women's decision making, heavy waiting periods, producing consent laws that had inaccurate scientific information. but the recent attacks have been to shut down the clinics. we were interested in what happens to care. what happens when women seek abortion and can't get them and end up with a baby they weren't expecting to have. >> michael: when i hear that there is four in wisconsin and there is only one in the entire state of mississippi. those are frightening things. the other side, are they doing a good job? at first they were chipping away withat it with late-term abortions and now early abortions. they are attacking at all angles and they're worthy opponents. >> the goal has always been aborti

regarding roe v. wade, eliminating the right of a woman choosing 20 weeks after conception. it didn't prevent the republican, phil gingri making the defense of marriage act, using this particularly terrible argument. >> maybe part of the problem is we need to go back into the schools at a very early age, maybe at the grade school level and have a class for the young girls. and have a class for the young girls and say you know, this is what is important. you know, this is what a father does that is -- may be a little different, maybe a little bit better than the talents that a mom has in a certain area, and the same thing for the young girls. you know, this is what a mom does. and this is what is important from the standpoint of that union. which we would call marriage. >> congressman gingrey is the newest addition to what politico dubs the caucus. the party has found itself stymied over and over by what leaders call a tiny rump of hand-fisted polls with the knack for stumbling on the news. >> the results of rape and pregnancy are very low. >> both parents started working. an

i do, in an ideal world what they would like to do is what the opponents of abortion did after roe v. wade that, decision for the supreme court. they want to mobilize against the court and against the decision and use it as a wedge issue in political campaigns. wolf, the problem they have got is the public opinion is not on their side. so it is a really uphill battle right now and the republican party is split about what to do on this because if you want to bring younger voters into the party, this may not not way to do it by campaigning against gay marriage. >> we'll have gloria back later today in "the situation room" at 5 p.m. eastern to continue this conversation. thanks very much. coming up, confessions of a black journalist. you will hear one man's take on paula deen's past use of the n word, are many of us being hypocrites? he has strong views. stay with us. a better opportunity for your business, a better legacy to leave the world. we have always believed in this pursuit, striving to bring insight to every investment, and integrity to every plan. we are morgan stanley. and we're re