since roe v. wade. republicans and conservatives in particular have taken pages from the liberal activist playbook in order to make abortion and other social issues but we are obviously talking about abortion here, front and center for voters. this alabama issue and the way it's going to wind its way thereupon -- up through the federal courts could change that. getting gorsuch on the court, getting kavanaugh is something people understand. they know. it's not going to be a reality until they see it moving through the courts and have a real threat to people for whom the idea of having the option to have a legal abortion is fundamental to their rights. i believe it could change the discussion and the discourse in the 2020 election. >> some people arguing against this law in alabama were trying to put a human face on it, keep it from being a scholarly or legal discussion here. but just a discussion about lives. remember, this law bans abortion in the case of rape and incest. listen to this exchange, david.

roe v. wade is fairly specific about times and when government can regulate abortion. this ruling last night as it stands would come into conflict with roe v. wade as it's written. >> absolutely. it would come into direct conflict, which as other members have stated is their purpose. >> when we talk about the governor, the fact that it was written by a lawyer, you write a law and it passes that's in contradiction to the the supreme court, how does that argument play out? >> i don't think it plays out well. there are 33 states that have passed some sort of abortion regulations this year or in the past year. and alabama is going to be in line like all of the rest of them. the goal here from the legislature is to get this to the supreme court. i'm not sure it happens in this case. this is a complete overhaul. the rogers court has not one that likes to do that. that likes to take those kinds of actions. there are a lot of bills ahead of alabama's that chip away at that right. that's probably something to be more concern ed about. >> and the chipping away, you say 33 states

the apro life activists say thi could be their legitimate chance to challenge roe v. wade and outlaw abortion nationwide >> i apologize to the women of alabama for this archaic law we passed. >> reporter: the bill could set up a direct challenge to roe v. wade. the alabama bill bans nearly all abortions making it a felony punishable by up to 99 years or life in prison for those providing the abortion >> when people's rights are under attack, what do we do? >> fight back. >> reporter: democrats argue against the legislation's constitutionality on the senate floor. >> republicans, you guys used to say we want the government out of our life. we want them out of our business. we want them out of our bedroom. now you're in my womb. i want you out. you don't control this. you don't own this. >> reporter: the law allows few exceptions. to avoid a serious health risk to the mother, ectopic presidecy or if the child has a lethal anomaly >> a life is a life. even if its origins are in difficult situations, that life is still precious. life is a gift of our creator. we must do everyt

they think they have the means to overturn roe v. wade. onsor of the bill in the state of alabama said that that was her goal, to overturn roe v. wade. aleem: roe v. wade is the landmark ruling that gave women the right to an abortion in the u.s. r thht for many millions of women doesn't suddenly look very -- does suddenly look very vulnerable. aleem maqbool, bbc news, montgomery, alabam o jane: for mothe legal battle this could spark, i spoke brief time ago with law professor jonathan turley. how likely is this law to reach the supreme court? than: that is the questi everyone is wondering about. the thing to keep in mind is that this is part of a comprehensive and rather clever campaign by pro-life advocates. they have passed laws of different types in different states. georgia, for example, and other states have what is called the fetal heartbeat laws, which has reduced the time to have an abortion to six weeks, a period e whny women are not aware they are pregnant. that is a reduction from 20 weeks. these types of cases are going forward

in roe v. wade, the u.s. supreme court said we're going to base it on the concept of viability, survivability of the fetus as to an individual's right when it comes to making this decision as opposed to society's right or responsibility. and there have been a lot of debate over the years as to whether that roe v. wade decision was right or wrong. we've seen a lot of different efforts to change it, some successful, some not. and we've seen subsequent supreme court cases which redefine roe v. wade as well. now we have a group that believes that they can move forward on this in the state of georgia and the state of alabama. and what they've proposed is much different than what we had accepted as the norm for decad decades. they've eliminated, for example, any exceptions for rape and incest. most people understand that victims of rape and incest should be viewed differently as others, but in the state of alabama they eliminated those exceptions in the law that they just passed. why are they doing that now when fe

being requested about this months ago talked about how they would respect precedent when it came to roe v. wade. >> the supreme court of the united states is held in roe versus wade that a fetus is not a person for purposes of the 14th amendment. and the book explains that. >> do you accept that? >> that is the law of the land. i accept the law of the land, senator. yes. >> it is an important precedent of the supreme court. by it i mean roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey and reaffirmed many times, casey is precedent on precedent which itself is an important factor. >> so to me i listen to what they say and it sounds purely descriptive. it is quite clear you had donald trump promising explicitly during the campaign that he would appoint supreme court justices that would overturn roe v. wade and the precedent planned parenthood versus cavanaugh is the case that was referred to. this is what was promised to the babe so we're going to believe they're going to turn around and not do that when, in fact, these are the signals they had to give to be nominated, both gorsuch and kavanaugh an

laws that don't go exactly at roe v. wade. ance, at the supreme court right now, there's about three petitions pending. and those directs aren't directly challenging roe. one has to do with an indiana law that says you have to bury or cremate fetal remains. another is a louisiana law that says that doctors have to have admitting privileges. these are seemingly more innocuous, but critics say that what they're seeing is courts and maybe the supreme court beginning to chip away at abortion rights, before getting to roe v. wade. >> how quickly could all of this be decided by the supreme court? >> el, that's what's interesting. here you have john roberts trying to keep the supreme court out of the fray. he's sitting on these particular petitions and maybe trying to slow walk even these less-restrictive law. but just earlier this week, we had an interesting occasion, there was another opinion that came out, having nothing to do with abortion. but the majority, the conservatives on the court overturned some 40-year-old precedent in t

roe vs. wade. >> kavanaugh and gorsuch owned by this president? do they have to vote against roe v. wade some. >> they are independent jurist, but they have a you that lines them up against roe vs. wade. >> thank you. what do you think will happen down there. you are concerned that this will take effect and not just be bad or skyey politics. >> right. i think not only alabama, but the southern states are emboldened right now. when we listen to the kavanaugh hearings, he didn't say how he would protect roe. what we are afraid of is if this goes to the supreme court and roe v. wade is overturned, abortions will happen in back alleys in unsanitary areas. that's the fear. the men need to stay out of our wombs and allow women to make the best decisions for themselves and we are mad about it and will continue to fight even with the governor signing this bill today. we are going let people know across this country we are not going to stand for it. you need to stay focused on the state of alabama. not just this issue. we have a lot of other issues we need to talk about and make sure the publ

we were trying to keep it just as it was which is direct the issue that roe v. waderter: even some democrats are willing to roll the dice believeing the courts will strike down the measure without touching roe v. wade. >> i think the bill has too many flaws in it. maybe it's the best thing it goes up there. >> reporter: the issue is sure to permiate the 2020 election cycle. kamala hair vice calling out republicans for inconsistency when it comes to women's health. >> the same kind of people who stand in the way of what women need to have access to issues like prenatal care. >> for more on this issue we're joined now by a professor of law at santa clara university. we appreciate you coming on to day. alabama is the latest to put forward the legislation, directly challenging roe v. wade. so i guess the question is what do you think the chances are this issue will be taken up by the supreme court? >> we, i think it's certainly going to be changed and brought before a lower federal court. i suspect if it's faithful to press dent underneath roe they'll be obligated to str

supreme court decides that roe v wade needs to be overturned you know obviously if the u.s. supreme court decides that women in this country no longer have the right to make reproductive health decisions it's a major change for the worse for women in the united states we are going to fight to ensure that that does not happen we've had 50 years of a recognized right in this country for women to make those decisions for themselves with their doctors and with their family and this supreme court even with this change composition we think we'll recognize that this you know this development is not something that was predicted when donald trump won the presidency it's really it's been almost a sleeper event that has now erupted but he has been spending the past 2 years packing the court with conservative judges as well as 2 supreme court judges i mean that's where the power is at the end of the day you really don't you don't have anything to contest that if you did you see this coming. i think those of us who care deeply about women's rights and reproductive choice have been worrie

, i think it's important for people to remember what roe v. wade was. ultimately, it was a privacy ruling having to do with the 14th amendment. tell us a bit about the background in roe v. wade. >> the holding in roe, exactly as you said, was that the liberty clause of the 14th amendment includes a right to privacy that is broad enough to protect a woman's right to choose pregnancy in the first trimester, it becomes less in the second trimester, and slows down in the third trimesters. roe was criticized on constitutional grounds and when the court reaffirmed nit it in 1992, it took on more of an equality rationale, citing justice ginsburg's work, saying a woman's right to choose her own life's course requires her to have reproductive choice before fetal viability. so according to the law of the land right now, any law that imposes an undue burden on a woman's right to choose before fee tatttal viability which is 26 weeks is unconstitutional, but restrictions after 26 weeks are permissible. that's why this alabama law is clearly unconstitutional under tha

this was designed clearly to challenge roe v. wade. do you see it as a real possibility that the u.s. supreme court soon potentially could overturn roe v. wade? >> i think that it was a horrendous law that was passed in alabama. it was 25 guys who ended up voting in support of this law, and i think it's unconstitutional, and if the supreme court, to answer your question, if the supreme court upholds precedent as they should, then they'll strike it down. >> here's what she tweeted, cay ivy, just moments ago, today i signed into law the alabama human life protection act to the bill's many supporters this legislation stands as a powerful testament to alabamans' deeply held belief that every life is precious and every life is a sacred gift from god. do you want to respond to the governor? >> well, you know, i just -- i don't understand, wolf, how somebody makes that statement, that every life is precious, when these are the same people that are okay putting young kids in cages and separating babies from their mothers. how is it that you bel

i think it is well within our concern to think that roe v. wade could be ovoverturned in te nenext several years. amy: we're going to end with a video that went viral just a few months ago. it is georgia democratic state senator jen jordan speaking against the abortion ban on the georgia state senate floor in march. times of myok is life have occurred in ththe prpresence of an with mymy physician. i have been pregnant 10 times. i have seen what many of you in your have called a heartbeat 10 times. but i've only given birth twice. i have lost seven pregnancies at varying points of times. one after five months. her name was juliet. i have laid on the cold examination table w while the doctor desperately looked for a heartbeat. i have been escorted out the back door of my physician's office so as to not upset the other pregnant women in the waiting area. my grief on full display and uncontainable. i have been on my knees time after time in prayer to my god about my losses. i have loved each and every single one of those potential lives, and my husban

by it, i mean roe v. wadeanned parenthood versus casey. >> do you view roe as having super precedent? >> well, senator, super precedent -- >> in numbers. 44 -- >> it has been reaffirmed many times. i can say that. >> yes. >> yes, dozens. >> and there is nothing in my personal views based on phat or other sources that would prevent me from applying the precedents of the courts under principles of stare decisis. >> if you listen to that, then roe is not at risk, but there are risks in listening to that. >> don't just listen to what they say, watch what they do. i'll use brett kavanaugh as an example and i'll say something about the chief. brett kavanaugh, before he said that at the senate confirmation hearings, had voted on the d.c. circuit to roll back abortion rights. he was in dissent, but he essentially took a very, very narrow view of roe v. wade. so that's why i say, watch what they do along the way. now, the chief justice, who has never cast a vote in support of abortion rights is now in this new position

the new alabama law is a flagrant contradiction of the federal standard found under roe v. wade. is intentional. how do we know? well, one of the bill's sponsors in alabama said point-blank this bill is about challenging roe v. wade. so let's put that to the side. now, the roe case in 1973 was actually the result of a test of a law that is very much like this law from texas. the court found 7-2 that constitutional rights to privacy and liberty allowed a woman to terminate her pregnancy if she so chose. the court architected a three-tier standard during a pregnancy, setting 24 weeks at the point at which a fetus becomes a viable person under the law with rights, allowing the state to incur, to change the laws of when you can get an abortion. the new alabama law actually harkens back to the old days pre-roe and even someone like pat robertson says this law is too much. >> i think alabama has gone too far. they've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion. there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law and they want to challe

are they hoping that this will -- i mean, what's really the purpose of this, to try to overturn roe v. wade? >> you know, i would like to think that it's just for the purpose of roe v. wade, but, you know, there are some members on that side of the aisle who really believe sincerely in this. i asked to sponsor that just last night, you know, is that your intent to send doctors to jail for 99 years, or even for an attempted abortion up to ten years in prison for attempt, not defining what an attempt is? but, you know, they just look me in my eyes with a stare as if, yes, that's what i want to do. >> you talked so emotionally about your own daughter yesterday while this was all happening. i believe you have two daughters, nine and ten years old. did you have any conversations with them about this last night after this passed? >> yes, i did. i actually had a conversation with them before it. you know, before i left last thursday there was at least 12 republicans who had mentioned that their wives or their sisters or their daughters had said to them, dad, or brother, don't go down there and vot

critics of roe v. wade or misstep of the wrong wrong direction? president trump proposing a key campaign promise shutting down illegal immigration. we have no details, flask john brennan and james comey is emerging as they fight over who pushed this dossier goes public. catherine herridge is here to break it down. hello and welcome to "fox news at night." i'm in new york. we begin with a total abortion ban in alabama signed into law and it appears headed straight to the courts. trace gallagher is on the case for us tonight. >> signing the abortion bill alabama governor kay ivey said it was approved by majorities in both chambers of the legislator and quoting a powerful testament to the deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from god. when they state senate passed a bill last night the aclu vowed to sue and today followed up with this tweet "you can't say we didn't warn you governor. see you in court." supporters not only expected to be challenged, they were counting on it openly was picked up by the sup

. >> there is a good chance roe v. wade would be overturned. we've known since the '70s roe v. wade stands on a weak foundational basis. whether you're pro life or pro choice, roe v. wade is really about, do we have an individual, fundamental -- do women have a privacy right in the constitution that overrides state legislatures' abilities to make laws affecting abortion. it is interesting to note, year 1900, almost every state prohibited abortion. by the time roe v. wade was decided, it was down to 30 states. the trend was that abortion -- prohibiting abortion was going away. now, by giving it to the supreme court, it creates a precedent that can be overturned. the bottom line is, even if you are pro choice, the right to privacy does not exist, either in the history or the text of the constitution, which is why row has always been ripe to be overturned. >> you know, danny, it is interesting you say that. mika and i were talking about this this morning after the news broke overnight. i said that my constitutional law professor, who is very progressive, said though i agree with th

by the time roe v. wadeas passed, the jane collective had performed an estimated 11,000 abortions. where joined by two former members, alice fox and laura kaplan. laura is the author of "the story of jane: the legendary underground feminist abortion service." welcome to democracy now! day after day, abortion bans are being passed around the country. it is not those that want these bans in place necessarily think lower courts will keep them in place, but they want one of these cases to get to the supreme court to overturn roe v wade. as you watch this, laura kaplan, taking place around the country, your thoughts and what it means to have been active around this issue before roe v. wadade existed? >> it is really horrifying. it is just this giant leap backwards in terms of the respect t for women and women's decisions. it is horrifying. i am just amazed every dayay. amy: talk about how you got involved with jane. >> well, it is great that alice is here because alice is the reason i got involved with jane. i ha

passes. >> reporter: legislators here say they specifically worded this abortion bill to challenge roe v. wadebut reverend pat robertson says it's gone too far. >> it's an extreme law, and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose >> reporter: while the governor here believes the u.s. supreme court should now review that landmark decision of roe v. wade from 1973, there are a lot of steps from a governor signing a bill into law and the u.s. supreme court in washington. phillip? >> the battle has begun. kerry, thank you. >>> a helicopter pilot is lucky to be alive after a terrifying plunge into the hudson river in new york city. look at the video here coming down the pilot was flying over the water when it began to lose altitude amazingly he was able to escape with minor injuries. nbc's anne thompson was there. >> reporter: it was a sight no tourist expected to see. >> holy [ bleep ], there's a helicopter just crashed. >> reporter: a helicopter suddenly spinning out of control, plu

author of "handbook for a , post-roe america," and co-author of the forthcoming book "the end of roe v. wadeinside the right's plan to destroy legal abortion." it is great to have you with us, robin. this idea of continually sayingg what would a post-roe look like, you pointed out it looks like many jurisdictions in america today. >> thank you so much for having me on, amy. as dr. robinson mentioned in her she is seeing what in alabama is the fact there are people already traveling six to eight hourss just to c come to r clinic in order to access care. that is what america looks like right now. for many people, you can say abortion is legal but it is so inaccessible that they might as well be living in a place where they just are not having legal abortions. amy: so can you take us through -- right now people seem to be shocked by what is happening, this onslaught of fierce abortion bans around the country. but you have shown in your work that the groundwork has been laid for years. >> yes. obviously, ever since the being decided,e the antiabortion movement has bebeen trying to overturn it. i

enshrining roe v. wade.that in congress bypassing a bill that protects women's reproductive rights and make that the federal law of the land. >> you are running for president and there's politics here. the supreme court did use this to overturn roe before the presidential campaign, do you think that would help the democratic nominee, whoever it would be? >> there are issues that i will not look at through a lens. regardless of what i was doing. i think we have an obligation to just think very fundamentally. does a woman have the right to control her body or do politicians have to dictate to her? do you know how extreme this is? it says in the cases of rape and incest, that a woman, it is still illegal for a doctor to perform an abortion. so this is outrageous. an assault on human rights, human dignity. freedom to control your body, which has been a fight going on from the founding of this country. and i cannot in any way sit comfortably while this is going on. and this is a time in american history that mand

by it i mean roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey. been reaffirmed many times. cedent on precedent. which itself is an important factor. >> do you think they'll vote to overturn roe v. wade even after saying it was precedent? >> i don't know. there was a recent case where justice roberts actually sided with the democrat appointed judges. but other than that i think we don't know and clearly the republicans in these states and the republican party thinks that they have a chance because they're basically setting this thing up to go to the supreme court. they are playing politics with women's health, using them as pawns, just to try to get up to the supreme court with this case. that is exactly what they're doing and no one knows what this court will do. >> what do you have to say to your republican colleague in the senate, susan collins, susan collins voted for kavanaugh but said earlier this year that she believed -- she still doesn't believe that roe v. wade is in jeopardy. >> well, i think, you know, i am not certain based on this big attempt being made across t

and they got abortions after roe v. wade. what roe v. did was make it legal for them to go into a hospital rather than a back alley butcher. get an person needs to account of themselves, they have to understand before god. when they use the religious , the woman has to give the account. host: the conversation continues on twitter, [video clip] i want to share with you a moment on the campaign trail. you never know what will happen as voters meet with candidates. this exchange occurred. >> thank you for coming on. say, -- theto campaign financial reform really resonates. it is really important. youuld not have heard about -- any candidate that sits down with c-span, i just want to let you know. >> thank you for coming out. host: dave burnett on the campaign trail with one of them more than 20 presidential candidates. we approved that message. thank you for the comments about the c-span coverage. all of our coverage is available on our website at c-span.org. we were live yesterday with vice president joe biden. 7:00 easterning, time with p

second thing, i think, has to do with the discussion you just had in the segment before, which is roe v. wadeade are two of the most famous cases that involve the constitution living up to its promise of equality to all people and they involve an actist lawyer model in the middle of the last century that the conservative legal movement has spent its entire tenure trying to undo. both are in the cross hairs. >> it's very interesting that, you know, senator richard blumenthal, michael, is saying that he believes that these nominees are being instructed by the trump administration to avoid that question. but, you know, is it an open question right now as to whether trump judicial nominees feel bound by precedent even in very well established cases like brown v. board and roe v. wade? >> well, i think they're suggesting that they're not. they should be. we have a principle called starry decisis. most justices, including chief justice john roberts, seem to appreciate that principle, they've talked about being an institutionalist and respecting the court, respecting the precedent. but it seems like

it could be the toughest challenge to roe v. wade. >>> the state department ordering nonemergency personnel out of iraq. the latest trouble as the u.s. deals with threats from iran. >>> the president says we are winning the trade war. is there a strategy to help american farmers who are growing desperate? >> i deserve to know what is on the airplane. >> i don't disagree. >> pilots have concerns for a boeing executive after the first crash of the 737 max. why weren't changes made sooner? hear the newly uncovered audio. good morning and welcome to "early start." i'm boris sanchez. >> i'm christine romans. it is wednesday, may 15th. it is 5:00 a.m. a near, total ban of abortion on the verge of becoming law in alabama. setting up what may be the supreme court battle that tests roe versus wade. this bill would punish doctors who perform abortion with life in prison. there are exceptions for serious health risks for the mother. no exceptions for rape. no exceptions for incest. lawmakers and supporters of the bill make no secret of their la

in other words, the justices at the time of roe v. wadend that right to privacy protecting an abortion emanated from what they called the penumbra of the words of the constitution. and folks like antonin scalia and the bottom line that roe v. wade has always been very susceptible to attack. and now that attack seems to be coming. >> it seems, danny, states like alabama which passed a bill which i believe is going to go into effect in 2020. they're angling for a supreme court fight. >> that's exactly right. they're supreme court shopping. they have found -- there's no doubt that the supreme court now with its makeup is the one most likely -- >> -- to overturn roe v. wade? >> -- to overturn roe v. wade, the time is right for a challenge. which is why you're seeing the laws which lawmakers don't plan to go in effect unless and until they get to the supreme court because they fly in the face of existing constitutional case law. >> thanks, danny. >>> let's get a check of the weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. >> sun will come out, i pr

they think that they have a way or a means now in order to be able to overturn roe v wade. our bill here in the state of alabama has said that was her goal, was to overturn roe v wade. roe v wade's the landmark ruling that gave the women the right to an abortion in the us. that right, for many millions of women, does suddenly look very vulnerable. uleem maqbool, bbc news, in montgomery, alabama. let's get some of the day's other news. talks on moving sudan towards civilian rule have been suspended for three days by the country's military leaders, who are demanding that protesters clear roadblocks. these pictures of shots being fired were taken by an eyewitness in the capital, khartoum. at least nine people were wounded when soldiers opened fire on protestors outside army headquarters. all non—emergency us government staff at the embassy in baghdad and consulate in erbil have been ordered to leave iraq as soon as possible. the us military has raised the threat level in the middle east in response, it says, to intelligence about forces backed by iran. the german and dutch arm

the law will trigger a total ban if roe v. wade is overturned. the same day that planned parenthood announced the threats to its last clinic in missouri, on tuesday the supreme court declined to take up a provision of an indiana law that bars abortions based on the sex, race, or disability of the fetus. the decision keeps in place a lower court injunction on the measure. the supreme court, however, decided to allow indiana's so-called "fetal burial" law to go into effect, which stipulates that abortion clinics must dispose of fetal remains either through burial or cremation. the measure was signed into law by then-governor mike pence in 2016. well, for more, we are joined by two guests. in st. louis, missouri, we are joined by dr. erin king. she is an ob/gyn and the executive director of hope clinic for women in granite city, illinois, which is about ten minutes from downtown st. louis, missouri. and here in new york, we are joined by alexa kolbi-molinas, senior staff attorney at the aclu reproductive freedom project. she recently filed the aclu

a vehicle to get this law and tissue of roe v wade before the supreme court. it's unenforceable because a lower federal district court will follow roe v wade and its following cases like planned parenthood v casey that holds a law like this would place an undue burden on the right to dhoorks right to choose an abortion. for that reason to law will either be struck down or an injunction issued or something to prevent it from going into effect. the only court that does not have to follow roe v wade and its following cases is the supreme court. the supreme court can choose whether or not to apply sta stare decisis and choate down roe v wade. >> justice roberts cares deeply about the reputation of the court. could he be a bullwa rx against this? >> not the underlying justification, even people on both sides of the argument will concede roe v wade stands on shaky legal justification. so while yon roberts has indicated that he may let precedent stand, there are occasions where precedent should not stand. if the social mores or customs or understanding of people's rig

ever since roe v. wadevermont has had absolutely no legislation restrincting to access to abortion. so our amendment proposes to do exactly that. should roe v. wade be weakened or overturned, this amendment would stand and protect vermonters in the way that we have been protecting vermonters for the past 45 years. >> and why is your republican governor if those individuals elected to office were to stay in the lane of their party and would typically -- what typically their stance is, why would your republican governor allow this to become part of the state constitution? what is happening? >> well, first of all, the governor does not sign off on a constitutional amendment. that is something that the legislature presents to the voters. but in addition, we have passed a law recently that is protective very larsimilarly of reproductive rights. and the governor indicated that he would allow that to become law. vermont has a history of collaboration, of moderation, of independents, and you ton anuto. and i think

especially when compared to 2 dozen rivals, all of whom support roe v. wadehere's not a lot of difference between the candidates, where they stand on this issue. this was good timing for sanders. they had this trip planned for quite some time, and it just so happened it was going to end up here in birmingham and montgomery tomorrow. essentially what bernie sanders is saying, if you're looking for someone who's been consistent on the issue of abortion for more than a decade, more than two decades, going back 30, 40 years at the start of his political career. bernie sanders is your guy. this is someone who has never waivered in his support of abortion rights. that's not going to change when he becomes president of the united states. what we're seeing here with this campaign is the ability to adapt. they rolled out a huge education plan yesterday which you'd think would have been the focus of this trip. but because abortion is getting so many of the headlines, they're adjusting. he's going on this rally which is going to happen immediately after this event here

. -- they feel that now is the time to mount a challenge to roe v. wadend they will be individual state laws so this challenge goes all the way through the court system, all the way up to the supreme court where roe v. wade can be challenged. it looks like it could be a lengthy battle, but while this is tied up to the courts, loss cannot be changed -- laws cannot be changed. when i was at one abortion clinic in alabama, i i saw somef the taunts that women face. carl: we have seen some democratic presidential hopefuls at democratic rallies. should abortion become one of the key issues? reporter: anyone who is anyone in the campaign camp was out at the supreme court in washington, d.c. we saw amy klobuchar arms with a megaphone saying that will not allow the country to move backwards. -- whether something is considered to be a women's issue becomes a key campaign issue is another question i think that will likely be the case if we did see roe v. wade overturned and we see it move back to the pre-1970's. carl: thank you very much. now to a story from france

or more appointments to the supreme court, automatically that's the word he used, automatically roe v wade will be overturned and i think the president was exactly right. roe v wade is gone and every woman in alabama who gets pregnant is going to be forced to give birth soon and that's going to be true in alabama and it's going to be true in missouri and it's going to be true probably in georgia and that's what the law is because that's what the presidential election was about in part last time. >> agree or disagree and why? >> so i disagree slightly. i think jeff toobin is right president trump made a promise to the american people he would appoint people that would overturn roe versus wade and the chief card is john roberts throughout his tenure as chief justice made clear that he takes very seriously the institutional reputation of the court. if the court is seen as overly partisan as being captured by the president of the administration, that's not great. the court has already been hobbled by the debacle of the kavanaugh hearings. and there is a wide swath that thinks the court is part

do you think other vorgss of alabama's bill would be able to overturn roe v. wade? don't think we see roe v. wade being overturned. i think the lower courts will strike down the laws. they're unconstitutional. the lower courts will be striking down these laws. and i don't think we're going to see the supreme court deciding to actually hear these. i think they let the lower courcour courts decide it. they decide they're unconstitutional. then, it will be, are we going to abide by the laws? >> ashleigh, thank you both. >>> we're getting started on this sunday. at the top of the hour, it's "up with david gura." and david has a look at what's coming up. >>> we're going to be joined by another contender for the presidential contention. bill de blasio has faced criticism for joining the race. >>> and a couple of bills in the narcotic legislature. one bill would make it easier for someone pardoned by the president to be prosecuted at the state level. the other piece of legislation is to allow lawmakers to get access to the state tax returns. that comes as steven mnuchin re