i don't think people know about what roe wilson and what he did as a disrespect to the constitution. there's things they didn't want the help of the business sector during the great depression. he actually said in a speech they should leave us alone they are not constructive and then rely on the government and how they expanded. that's not to say the government doesn't have a role. it does have a role and it is constructive and i think that it is either meaningful but like everything it can be overdone. >> why did you withdraw from consideration as the labor secretary? >> i didn't have enough votes to get confirmed or i would have stuck it out to the end instead of this conversation in the beautiful paris hotel i would be reading in washington, d.c.. but there was such an adverse reaction to being approved as the secretary of education, chuck schumer then identified me as the target that they were going to go after and the press was merciless, dishonest. in some other interview we can talk about the fake news during this confirmation process that i got beat up pretty bad and it made