roebling sons company. he went into the office every single day, and he modernized the company in the years before his death. so he kept, he kept busy. >> [inaudible] >> this -- oh, sorry. come right back to you. >> i was wondering, how did they go, manage through the depression? i mean, is there a roebling company now? >> no, there's not. how did they manage through the depression. it wasn't really the -- the depression did affect them, but it was really family firms gradually got swallowed up by huge conglomerates. there's the story. the roebling family firm held out for much longer than many such firms often do. and if you ever find yourself near trenton, new jersey, i urge you to visit the roebling museum which is about 10 miles from trenton, and it's a gorgeous little museum on the site of the former mill. and it's really lovely. and it's in a very beautiful site because the mill was all cleaned up. it was a superfund site, so there's a very beautiful park there as well, as well as this little museum.