all i can say is pass the rogan josh. >> so how do you reduce violence?e would just need more police. get out there, crack some skulls, throw some people in jail, problem solved. a good number of americans probably still believe that very much. we're very fond of throwing people in prison. to suggest otherwise would be seen as coddling criminals. >> absolutely, and it was the same here. we started to think about it in entirely different ways. violence is a public health issue. we all have the capacity for violence. people learn how not to be violent. that's why early years are important because things that happen then will effect their whole life course about how they make decisions about themselves and how they judge risk. no matter how good the police service is, it will just contain and manage the problem. it won't make it better. >> first of all, it's not what i expect to hear from somebody who spent 38 years with murder police presumably busting heads and arrested people that we should hug these little bastards more -- >> yes, absolutely. >> everythi

josh rogan at bloomberg said that may go up to 15,000 or 20,000 and beyond. dierdre: christian, as you point out, there are blog posts that say we don't want to live in europe. if we stay where we are we're going to die, we know that thus you have this kind of desperation. the u.s. has given more than $4 billion to the syrian refugee crisis through the national security council. is this the best way for the u.s. to contribute? >> the best thing we can do is get serious about defeating isis. once we make the decision to go to war, should go to war with overwhelming force and go to win. we have partners. free world is not expecting this to do this by ourselves. we have gulf partners. we have european partners. that is just better than admitting a huge portion of the population of syria and other states to the united states or to europe. it is important to say we're also very compassionate towards refugees. we admit 75,000 a year already. what this might involve going up to 85,000 next year and 100,000 the year after that. that seems like an awful lot. dierdre:

. >> let's talk more about this with cnn political analyst josh r rogan and jeffrey lord.approach to foreign policy, doesn't he need to offer more? >> i think that right there, that bite you had there on china, that is straight out of the art of war. one of the oldest text books about how to fight a war. be as dark an impenetrable at 9 nigh -- night. you don't have to have the details, but you need basic, sound judgment. it's not at important as i think ronald reagan may have eluded at one point it's more important the bad guys know his name than him knowing their names. >> his stumbling and combined with disstain for foreign policy knowledge. trump says as we heard from jeffrey there, you just need to have judgment. he will learn the names when it matters. >> first, i don't think the current diplomacy is relevant to the art of war. we're trying to avoid war and that is based on diplomacy and ainsurances and checks and balances we have established that trump his answers to all of these kwes are it's a secret, and trust me i will figure it out later. and that also just does