and roger's wife, pam.nd the body and was already suggesting possible killers. >> he told me he had an appointment for lunch at noon with a guy named mike kip discussing $25,000 worth of guns. >> mike kip? mike kip was kay's former student. >> roger and pam identify him real quick. they say he's involved. he owes my dad money. he's the one who did this. >> roger told detectives that kay was holding a collection of mike's weapons, about 30 of them, mostly pistols and rifles, and some shotguns. kay put the guns in his bunker. roger thought there might be a grudge involved. when detectives went to look for the guns, they were gone. >> so we pull in michael kipp that night too. we interview him. and we can get his alibi. it's quick. >> nothing suspicious about it, it turned out. mike had not a thing to do with kay's murder. he simply needed money and kay agreed to buy his guns. by now tips were coming in. >> and this female said it's the baker boys. she said the baker boys did this. >> the baker boys were broth

roger being roger, that's who he is.ou guys knew who he was, so they're just saying he doesn't deserve to be punished for his misconduct. >> he's saying they viewed this as misjudgment but it's okay that you lied about it. that's a dangerous path. any citizen gets to decide whether the prosecution investigation is legitimate. as opposed to you can go to another judge, you can hire another attorney, you can jump up and down and say this is unfair, but that doesn't give you the right to break the law because you think the law is wrong. >> it has been quite the tactic of the white house. we just saw that with the impeachment inquiry and their unwillingness to cooperate with the house. that has been a tactic for the president for some time. >> if you continue the idea inside the courtroom, she understands. this judge has been attacked by the president, he's called her an obama appointee. if you go back in time, she was also on social media in a crosshairs coming under attack in this case. in that regard, shimon, knowing her

because we may in fact hear from roger stone when we see roger stone.picture outside this u.s. district court, on the left side of your screen. when we see the man, that you see pictured on the right bottom half, live and in person, we will take you there live here on "outnumbered." stay tuned. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >> melissa: so, a short time ago we just learned that sentence for roger stone. it is three and a third years, 40 months. that's exactly what attorney general william barr had recommended to this judge. we know that he is going to be free on bond. there is also an issue where his attorneys are saying this was not a fa

that's also roger being roger, isn't that the case that the defense -- his defense attorneys have been trying to argue? >> that is skaexactly the case defense attorneys have been trying to argue. that's the case they put on to the jury. and they want the jurors to believe that. they didn't believe that and prosecutors didn't believe that. and that was the whole point of this case in some ways. to prove, to show this case mattered, that people can't just behave this way, obstruct justice, come in, lie to congress, in the middle of a very important investigation, that was essentially the entire argument by the prosecution, why this case mattered, why the truth matters, why our systems matter, especially at a time when we're seeing the president attack our systems, attack the judicial system. this is the judge saying and explaining why all of this matters. she is obviously now going through the calculations, we have yet to hear exactly what the sentence is. but it does seem that the judge here for the first time, right, not holding back, expressing her views and we also have seen interest

and she kept saying, this is not hiji nrk hijinks, this is not about roger being roger. this was her way to sort of say, look, roger stone, you lied to a committee at the time that was led by republicans. so this is not about political party, this is about the conduct that really showed utter disrespect to the institutions of this country, not only to the congress which deserved the truth, but also to the courts, which he repeatedly, flagrantly violated the rules about his social media activity during the trial. >> brianna, i think that was one of the many things the judge and prosecution in court were trying to do today. they were trying to hold up the sanctity of the justice system. we saw the defense apologize to the judge, we saw them say they believe the judge will be fair and just. there are real consequences when you decide to lie and obstruct and witness tamper, so i think it was sort of a coordinated effort by the judge and the prosecutors in this case to try to defend this system from these attacks that we've seen from president trump. >> sara and evan, thank y

refresh people's understanding of just who roger stone is. >> well, andrea, roger stone is one of donaldgest-serving associates, if you will. he originally was an official in the trump campaign and then he was fired, although he continued to remain in touch with donald trump throughout the campaign. look, there's a fascinating documentary on netflix about roger stone and it makes clear that roger stone saw presidential potential in donald trump, saw his appeal as a candidate long before almost anyone else did. saw him as a reality tv star who he thought looked presidential in his tv appearances and he's also a self-described dirty trickster. he goes back to watergate in terms of playing in the dark shadows of politics and his job with the trump campaign, once he left, was to go to wikileaks and figure out what they had in terms of those hacked russian emails. and the trial made clear that he was in close contact with donald trump. they introduced evidence that stone was calling trump, stone was meeting with steve bannon, was briefing them on what he thought wikileaks had, how they could

not up to roger stone's attorneys. it is up to the judge to decide what she wants to hand down today. regardless of what she decides, stone is not expected to be detained because he is trying to get a new trial in this case. and the big x factor in all of this is what president trump is going to do and if he's going to try to intervene and pardon roger stone. he repeatedly said he feels like stone, his long time friend and little adviser, has been treated unfairly. he's accused the judge of being biased. and he has once again taken to twitter to weigh in on this. he tweeted a quote from a fox news host saying what has happened to roger stone should never happen to anyone in our country again. and i just think we should remind our viewers that even though bill barr intervened in this case and said roger stone should get a sentence that is less than 7 to 9 years, even the attorney general said he felt like roger stone's conviction was done correctly and that stone should serve some prison time. so, you know, we'll see ho

roger stone was righteous. so you saw them take very much a different position than certainly some of us expected given the dueling memos from the department of justice, brooke. >> we'll get into that in just a second here, but i have to ask, so you know, people think all right, so roger stone was sentenced. you know, where's the jumpsuit and handcuffs? like he's walking out of court. what's the story? >> so 40 months, just over three years is the prison sentence here, but the judge is letting him out in part -- it's not uncommon in these situations where you release someone as they wait to serve their time, get their affairs in order, but in this case she's also releasing him because he has filed a motion for a new trial, and she said while she's deciding that, she's going to allow him to remain out. so we don't know when exactly he's going to report to prison. there's probably a good chance he's never going to report to prison because during this time it's probably expected that the president will pardon him,

sglmplgtsds roger has a good chance of exone see roger exonerated. i would love to see it happen. personally think he was treated unfairly. i'm going to watch it closely. and at some point, i will make a determination. but roger stone and everybody has to be treated fairly. this has not been a fair process. >> that was president trump just moments ago in las vegas doing nothing to dispel the rumors that he will pardon his long-time friend roger stone he went off about the tearness of the conviction and all by but assured that stone will be exonerated. let's chew over all of this. he said he's going to be watching the president prost. the next step in the process is that the judge will consider whether this petition from stone's lawyers that the whole case should be thrown out and retried because there was a foreperson who had said things critical of president trump on her social media post. whether or not that would necessitate a new trial. assuming that does not happen and i'm pretty sure it won't, don't you think he's going to pardon him? >> i think he just set it up to pick a t

let's go to the point where he said roger stone -- i would love to see roger exonerated. harry, to you first, is that him basically saying i want to pardon him? >> i actually think that's code for i'll wait until november. and especially if exoneration includes a court of appeals and supreme court. i think he's been told he can't pull the trigger on it right away. he wants to have the jury lay out. i'll be interested in what elie thinks about it. i have one very quick point. the department of justice here looks like it's been buffeted by political winds back and forth and back. the reversal in court today by the same guy who had signed that second brief is a huge, i think, embarrassment for the department. sorry, go ahead. >> what do you think? >> yeah, i think harry's exactly right. the president wants to pardon roger stone. someone has told him smartly if you do this, the blowback will be enormous. i think this is the theory, and when he says i want to see roger stone exonerated there's only a couple of ways that can happen. one is if the judge grants this motion based

this is not just roger stone being roger. he lied to congress. he lied to our elective representatives. and there's this, quote, sure the defense is free to say so what, who cares but i'll say this, congress cared. the united states department of justice and the united states attorneys office for the district of columbia that prosecuted the case and is still prosecuting the case cared. the jurors who served with integrity under difficult circumstances cared. the american people cared and i care. and how is the president responding to all of this? >> i'm not going to do anything in terms of the great powers bestowed upon a president of the united states. i want the process to play out. i think that's the best thing to do. because i'd love to see roger exonerated, and i'd love to see it happen because i personally think he was treated very unfairly. >> there's a lot more than that. the fact is roger stone has the right to appeal, but the president sure seems to be suggesting he intervene if things don't go the way he wants them to go. >> the forewo

and roger stone, who was convicted by a jury of his peers. sglil >> it's outrageous he would try to make any moral equivalency with james comey and others. you can question their decisions and judgments but trying to carry out their duties responsibly and integrity. he wants that laughter in the room. >> they barely laughed. >> unfortunately, i did hear laughter. and talking about peter struck and lisa page and others. he plays to this debased group of people who are listening to what he is saying in terms of just trashing good public servants and defending people like roger stone? i mean, give me a break. >> phil rutker, it's so interesting and has to be from your perch with all the fantastic reporting out of your bureau there that we're all covering and watching the revenge tour in overdrive. the political installation overnational security agencies. this pardon palooza, i called it yesterday. convicted felons and people convicted of fraud and corruption and the political and business world and then live tweeting the sentencing of his longe

free roger stone. a petition going on there we are well over 130,000 people demanding roger stone's pardon at free roger stone.com. we want the president to really take a look at this and have some compassion on the stone family. what's happened to roger from the very beginning, by the way, tucker, i was interrogated by the same prosecutor aaron zalinsky the way roger stone was. the arrogance he would walk into a room with, i remember a story of him screaming at a female defense attorney "i am the government." and the stories of his bullying go on and on. how he manipulated. >> tucker: people like that should not have power. >> absolutely. the way he manipulated a take roger stone into the 7 to 9 year category is an example of you who they have done everything. it's all done with bad faith, tucker. they did the fisa warrants in bad faith. they did the fusion fbi dossier in bad faith. they followed, they were following and spying upon aid to the opposing candidate for president in bad faith. everything

roger stone we just had it up there. and president trump have known each other for a very, very long time. >> yes. >> cynthia, this business about maybe rogue prosecutors, these are department of justice prosecutors. >> right. >> you tell me how this works. sometimes i'm sure there's a disagreement of the people prosecuting a case on behalf of the government and maybe superiors. that's not what this sounds like, doesn't sound like a discussion on the merits or about the law. this sounds very it comes time for sentencing ordinarily in a regular run of the mill case you know the sentencing guidelines, making a recommendation. maybe a superior sees it or they don't. as long as you're within the guideline range, in this case because of the politics of it, there were discussions and internal back and forth about what is going to be the appropriate guideline range. i am sure that the attorney general and the assistant attorney general and the united states attorney knew what they were recommending. it's just -- wouldn't happen

i know roger but a lot of people know roger. everybody sort of knows roger. and what happened to him is unbelievable. they say he lied. but other people lied, too. just to mention comey lied. mccabe lied. lisa paige lied. her lover strzok, peter strzok, lied. you don't know who these people are? trust me. they all lied. yet people that forged documents, you had people that wrote fake dossiers. and brought them to the fbi. and used people in the justice department to get them to the fbi. and these people know in the front row. you know better than anybody in this room what the hell i'm talking about probably. i'm only responding to you. i'm not talking to the folks over there. but they get it better than anybody, too. a lot of bad things are happening. we're cleaning it up. we're cleaning the swamp. we're draining the swamp. i just never knew how deep the swamp was. [ applause ] so if this woman was tainted -- >> okay. you hear president talking about if this woman is tainted. he is talking about the forewoman of the roger stone jury and the president now insi

roger stone donald trump's longest serving adviser. someone who claimed to have a back chanel link to julian assange in 2016. much has changed since then. both assange and stone indicted. we mattered the prosecutors were most interested in stone. >> who did they ask most about in. >> roger stone. >> you? >> roger and michael. >> he's not going to get away with witness tampering. he should shut up. >> i'm joined by the campaign aide and michelle goldberg. good to see both of you. sam? it looks like donald trump is trying to help roger. >> pleasantly surprised. i think he had no choice in lightest seven to nine-year recommendation. had they submitted it for 36 months, it may have not given the president a chance to reverse it. when you go into it, it looked like political document at the end. even arguing in case the president was going on pardon roger or commute his sentence. they go into explicit detail of the crimes. >> why are you pleasantly surprised? >> when i entered into the investigation, i walked into aaron and the first thing

they treated roger stone very badly. they treated everybody very badly.ook at the mueller investigation it was a scam because it was illegally set up. it was set up based on false documentation and false documents, you look at what happened, how many people were hurt, their lives were destroyed, and nothing happened with all the people that did it. where's comey? where is comey? what's happening to mccabe? what's happening to lisa and peter struck, and lisa page, what's happening with them? it was a whole setup. it was a disgrace for our country, and everyone knows it, everyone. including nbc which gives a rot of fake news. the fact is roger stone was treated horribly and so were many other people, their lives were destroyed, and it turns out, you look at the fisa warrants and what just happened with fisa where they found out it was fixed, that it was a dirty rotten deal, so when you look at that and you see what happened to roger stone, but think of it, a man leaks classified information, highly classified, they give him two months. roger stone for doing

she said, "this is not roger just being roger. he lied to congress.e lied to our elected representatives. now, the judge is delaying the execution of the sentence, not something we normally see, because she has to rule on that new motion. there is a potential political bias with a juror that was just discussed. they could grant him a new trial. now, the original prosecutors in the case, neil, that had prosecuted this case from the beginning, they quit after that 7-9 year sentence came down from thef justice after i should say the attorney general's office said it was too harsh. there were two new prosecutors from the department of justice arguing. she insists that even though trump has been complaining about it on twitter, that has nothing to do with what he said. now, i want to tell you this, that a source of the justice department does say that attorney general bill barr believes that roger stone should have been convicted back in november. as far as where we go now, it's going to be an interesting process, neil. we have to see if judge amy jackson

>> roger stone. >> rodoes he pardon roger stone. if he's like all right, i'm going to pardon and commute the sentences for these three today. that means when i eventually want to pardon stone, flynn, maybe manafort, it softens the blow? >> and you have to wonder if he's sending a message, right? who's getting sentence insted i days. you have to wonder is he sending some kind of message? why do this today? and so perhaps that is what's going on here as well. the fact that he won't even answer -- you know, when reporters asked the president just now someone asked him, are you going to pardon roger stone, he says oh, i'm not even thinking about it, but what happened to him was unfair. what's happened to michael flynn has been unfair, what's happened to paul manafort has been unfair. it's very likely that that's the row we're heading. >> think about it this way. rod blagojevich is the pinnacle of corruption. then he pardons people here who are lower, maybe stone, manafort. >> lying to the fbi, obstruction. >> it will seem like well, it'

andrew mccain isn't roger stone either, he will serve nothing at all.s an fbi official, he authorized illegal leaks to the press and lied to investigators about doing it, he was fired from his job as he should have been but today's prosecutors announced they will not bring any criminal charges against him for committing what were obviously crimes. over at cnn, they celebrated the news. >> many observers look at the investigation and they believe that to not have merit. to your point that it doesn't have merit, you aren't completely objective party in that. there are a lot of independent observers that looked at this and said it doesn't make sense. >> tucker: other corrupt former fbi officials were thrilled by the news too, lisa page who spent months texting her boyfriend how to stop donald trump. tweeted this, cheers with herself holding a glass of wine. hey america, of yours. mccabe was the one man on the left who didn't seem happy about the news, he's not grateful to dodge an indictment. instead he says he's angry. he is the victim here. >> as glad as

on theew nour tonight, prison ti for roger stone.dent trump'sim lonally sentenced to prison in a case roiling the justice department. >> if they wish to speak out and tell their sidethe story you, you are releasing them on television tonight? judy: a showdown in las vegas. the highs and lowsf last night's bruising presidential debate. ezand, insideuela. the impact of the coury's deteriorating economy amid a year-long political power struggle. >> i never imagined i would see my people eating from the that infuriates me.

the president t made strange comment about seeing roger stone exonerated. i'm not se what he meant by that, but he is signaling that mr. stone has his continued support despite his conviction and histe sing by mr. trump's own justice department. laura: that justice department has been under tremendous political pressure. do you think it is holding firm, as a former prosecutor,oe? joseph: the attorney general may have gotten some syndication today that the sentence would-- vindication today that the osseence was so to what he recommended. this was handled really poorly over the last two weeks. at worse it looks like the justice departme succumbed to political pressure from the white house, something that would break down the way our at best, even if you don't ascribe to the theory, it was slop. it looks like the department of justice hid ne its house in order, and the fact that it reached into the court after the first trial recommendation, changed the recommendation, and then we s the trial te resign, it was one of the worst spectacs we ve seen in the justi

this is the judge who sentenced roger stone last week. over the weekend, yesterday, she issued a short six-page order in which she rejected a motion from roger stone's attorneys that she should recuse herself from any further action in roger stone's case because stone and his attorneys say that she's biased. they wanted the judge to disqualify herself from the case. judge amy berman jackson deals with the allegations from roger stone and his attorneys in this ruling in what seems to me to be a remarkably restrained and even-handed manner. but even so, at the end of her ruling, the thing i think necessarily ends on a fairly blunt note. the judge concludes her ruling with this. quote, if parties could move to disqualify every judge who furrows his brow at one side or the other before ruling, the entire court system would come to a standstill. at bottom, given the absence of any factual or legal support for the motion for disqualification, this pleading appears to be nothing more than an attempt to use the court's docket to disseminate a sta

roger stone must rock behind bars.f the president tries to save roger stone, we will impeach him again. >> might you impeach them over this? over roger stone in the sentencing? >> you know we are not going to take our options off the table. we don't wake up in the morning wanting to impeach him. want to work with him on prescription drugs, background checks and infrastructure, but we are not going to letwe him jt march this democracy because he thinks that he's been let off once and we're not going to do something about it. >> tucker: eric swalwell may be the slowest of the 425 house numbers, certainly in the running. 435. but even he can remember talking points. so this is among their plans. another impeachment. why would they do that? why do democrats care so much about punishing roger stone? here's why. because if roger stone spends even a day in jail, they will point to him for the next 40 years as evidence that russia ascollusion was real. that's what they really want. let's hope the president doesn't them have it

particularly roger stone. thank you.of the time, fortunately, the justices and does what it is supposed to do. case in point, jussie smollett and the creepy porn lawyer both learning right now they are in trouble. probably for good reason. nancy grace toys 'r' us toys "r" joins usafter the brea. >> tucker: we have news tonight from the ongoing saga of creepy porn lawyer. trace gallagher is here with more this evening. >> tucker, the jury deliberated for five hours today before calling it a day. they are considering three separate charges. the big one is extortion, which could send stormy daniels' former attorney to prison for decades. he's accused of demanding that nike pay him $25 million in exchange for him not going public with allegations that nike was bribing high school athletes. during closing arguments, prosecutors played audio recordings of stormy's former lawyer, threatening to blow the whistle on nike. prosecutors told the jury, "that is what extortion sounds like." defense attorneys insist there was no extort

what's happening to roger stone is totally wrong.immoral and we should not allow it in this country. but politically it has significance too.cu stone's prosecution was designed in part to confirm the fantasies the democrats have constructed to explain the outcome of the 2016 election. his conviction helps their case. in other words, if the russia collusion story was a hoax, and of course it most certainly was a hoax, then why is roger stone going to prison for his roleog n it? if roger stone serves even a single day behind bars, the russia life will be validated as true. stone's and presume it will be evidence in the view of democrats. so at this point there's really only one solution. the president must pardon roger stone or commute his sentence before he goes to jail. democrats will hallow if he does that. well, they are howling anyway, they have a liberty. chuck schumer is now yelping about yet another investigation into roger stone. brush the 2. in 1 entirely constitutional acts the president could save roger stone's life, vindic

what is possible for roger stone? i want to bring in jim trusty, former justice department prosecutor, as we watch this again. jim, you are with me. as you are watching this, your reaction? >> look, i actually think the gag order in this particular case is actually roger stone's best friend. if you think about during the trial itself, during the pendency of the case, he was tweeting or retreated a picture of the judge with a cross hair over her head. that was not lost on the judge. that was actually brought up at the sentencing, as well. when you are this politically animated, when you have as much to say as roger stone seems to have to say, it's not always helpful for him. that also makes him a very tough client. so i think his attorneys, while they did the right thing fighting the gag order on kind of a constitutional basis today, it's probably the right thing to let them go quietly. at least until the motion for a new trial is disposed. he hasn't helped himself so far. a few more days of quiet isn't going to be the

being roger. the defense said he is a family man, expected to be a great-grandfather, does charitable work. it seems the judge will come down on the harsher side, when the sentence comes down. it is imminent as the judge is speaking inside of the courtroom. she said to the prosecution and the defense inside, the original sentencing guidelines seemed reasonable. that was seven to nine years. so she does seem like she is going for enhancements related to all of these counts. we will again have this sentence in minutes from now. back to you. neil: she is not taking up the issue of tamika hart, the jury foreperson who clearly had a gripe with the administration, donald trump, and roger stone, said a lot of things people were told not aware of at the time. there was a push to even throw out the case as a result. no talk of that, right? reporter: no talk of that. she already said she will delay the execution of this sentence until that hearing can take place. the department of justice has until tuesday

and roger stone and i. >> tucker: thank you, you too. >> roger stone and i have been friends for aboutyears. i will take the friendship out of this and wear my judicial hat. >> tucker: okay. >> this is information that she must have hidden from the lawyers and the judge who interrogated her before she was put on the jury. now, in federal court, judges pick the jurors. so, judges do the interrogation. >> tucker: right. >> the lawyers sign off ahead of time on the questions the judges are going to ask. the purpose of the interrogation is to weed out people that have a bias, prejudice, and knowledge of case or interest in the outcome. she obviously had a prejudice against roger stone, a bias in favor of his prosecution, and an interest in seeing him convicted. that should automatically goff her. now, what do you do when you discover this after the conviction, tucker? the proper thing for the judge to do is to bring this juror back in the courtroom in the presentation of roger stone and his lawyers and in the presence of the four prosecutors who have since resigned because their resignatio

roger stone, the reason he does not want roger stone to go to jail is because roger stone knows whereare buried. he is the only person in america that dealt with two people strategically releasing the stolen moise from the democratic national committee. guccifer 2.0 who mueller identified as a russian intelligence officer, and on wikileaks which mueller also identified as a cut-out for the russian government. and here you have roger stone who back in april of 2016, before anybody knew about anything about stolen emails, was knowledgeable about what the russians had. and else the person who supposedly fired from the trump campaign in 2015. yet if you look at the phone records that came out during the stone trial, he had multiple conversations with donald trump, with rick gates, manafort's deputy, and manafort who was the campaign manager. >> so you're reminding everyone that people like mr. manafort andimely broke. >> not mr. manafort though. >> how about half flipped? >> he did a flip with a twist involved. he kept his mouth shut. >> now you're an olympics referee on the back flip. i

for making the film get me roger stone my co-directors and i followed roger for 5 and a half years and he is about as colorful a character as they come he is a bodybuilding pot smoking dandy swinger who has also been in trouble and electing virtually every republican president since richard nixon and he was actually the very 1st person to suggest to donald trump to run for the presidency back in 1907 and he spent the next almost 330 years working to bring that kind of far out fantasy of his to reality and over the years people disparaged roger saying it was never going to happen and roger ultimately got the last laugh maybe so because he was very outspoken in the film that was produced by you how much of this sonority it was his own fault one might say he's brought this upon himself with sort of the image that of being teflon man you know nothing sticks but it did no. he absolutely did bring this upon himself one of roger. perhaps as a killer as he'll is that he goes too far and that he tends fade and in this case he very unwisely lied to congress in a situation where he didn't need to

because donald trump in his way today let us know, let roger stone know, that roger stone has nothing to worry about. >> i don't want to say that yet. but people were hurt viciously and badly by these corrupt people. >> are you considering a pardon? i don't want to say that yet. that means that he's considering a pardon for roger stone. that means he's saying that corrupt people prosecuted roger stone. so the president is already saying that a pardon for roger stone is completely justifiable. roger stone will be sentenced next week. on thursday by a federal judge, amy berman jackson who was appointed by barack obama. judge jackson can completely ignore the justice department's lowered recommendation of a sentence. but what we will be surely reporting next thursday night is that donald trump thinks the sentence judge jackson has given roger stone is vicious and unfair, and that she did it because she was appointed by a president not named donald trump. if donald trump does that, what you can be sure of is that the attorney general of the united states will not say one word of it as don

so really could not have been tougher to roger stone. there's also in the air the notion that donald trump that he would pardon him. he was suggesting he do just that on fox. >> before he gets to the pardon, i want to get to the picture of what she had to say. there are so many things that are roiling around. there's criticism of doj, question of whether or not the president intervened, the timing looked suspicious, in spite of the fact bill barr denied he took action because of what the president tweets. then you have this larger question of pardons. the president making statements about how people have been treated unfairly, you have people that were pardoned showing no remorse. put this into context as you see it as we look at the u.s. judicial system now, glen. >> chris, one of the interesting aspects of the lengthy sentencing hearing. >> glen, i am going to interrupt you. roger stone is walking out, we want to see whether or not he is going to make comments. there are lots of folks that would like to hear from him. let's listen a se

in the roger stone case, mr. stone was charged with multiple federal crimes including a very serious felony which is witness intimidation. also charged with lying to investigators. in the closing argument in his trial before a jury back in november, the prosecutor making his final case to the jury said that roger stone committed all the crimes he was charged with for a very specific reason. this is from the transcript of the trial from the closing arguments. "mr. stone obstructed that investigation. he lied in his sworn testimony and he tampered with a witness who could expose his lies. why did roger stone do these things? because he knew that if the truth came out about what he had been doing in 2016, it would look terrible." "roger stone knew that if this information came out, it would look really bad for his longtime associate donald trump and so he lied." that was the closing argument in this case. roger stone was charged with multiple federal felonies. he pled not guilty. he went to trial. he was tried befor

a jury of roger stone's peers said you're guilty of all seven felonies.e can't be exonerated. what the president is talking about is a pardon. judge amy berman jackson made it clear if a pardon comes, it will be a corrupt pardon, it will be an abuse of pardon power because she said roger stone covered up the president's crimes, and if you issue a pardon to your criminal associate who tried to help you get away with crimes, that is corrupt. >> shannon, you have new reporting that the president's advisers are actually urging him to wait to pardon stone most likely until after the election. >> reporter: right. and really his advisers have been giving him this advice for several years when it comes to his associates caught up in the mueller investigation, paul manafort, michael flynn, now roger stone, telling the president stay calm, wait it out, after the election you can take some action if you want to, but don't do anything before that. it will just incite democrats too much. i think the case of roger stone is a bit different than manafort and flynn becaus

no understating these with roger stone set to appear next week. and one of the key prosecutors on the stone case, questioned witnesses at the trial, he was the first one to tell the judge he was quitting the case and also quitting his role with the dc u.s. attorney's office. he remains in a position with the boston attorney's office but did not quit completely. one who did is jonathan kravis. he with drew from the case and resigned from the dc u.s. attorney's office. another guy is adam jed, on the mueller team, involved in the roger stone case and paul manafort case and no longer involved in the roger stone case and notified the judge he wanted to withdraw but also did not resign from doj. the last one on this case is mike marando, asked to withdraw from the case and remains an assistant u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. mike marando gave an impassioned argument at roger stone's trial saying the truth still matters. >> let's discuss the political implications between the executive and government and whether there is a divide between the

roger stone? that's what roger stone is hoping tonight after donald trump's big flurry of pardons and clemencies issued today. roger stone is going to be sentenced on thursday. today the judge in the case said she will not execute the sentence until she formally rules on another request from roger stone's attorneys for a new trial. so he won't be going to prison on thursday. but is it coincidence that two days before roger stone gets sentenced, donald trump throws a pardon party? donald trump commuted the sentence of former illinois governor rod blagojevich today. blagojevich served eight years of a 14-year sentence for trying to sell an appointment to barack obama's illinois senate seat when barack obama became president of the united states. they had rod blagojevich on wiretaps. they had tape on blagojevich on the phone trying to sell the senate seat. he couldn't have been more guilty, but donald trump, who was impeached for a phone call, doesn't believe politicians should ever get in trouble fo

this is not roger just being roger. he lied to congress. he lied to our elective representatives. the sentence is not just about punishing him but also deterring others and upholding the law. it has to send the message that witnesses do not get to decide for themselves whether congress is entitled to the facts based on what they think about the topic being investigated or who they fear could be embarrassed by the topic being investigated. the judge says, quote, there was nothing unfair, phony, or disgraceful about the investigation or the prosecution. the house committee, which stone lied to, which at the time stone testified was under the control of the republican majority, the senate intelligence, which remains under the control of the republican majority, the special counsel, who was appointed by and serving under the supervision of the acting attorney general of this administration, and the current inspector general of the current department of justice all investigated the circumstances surrounding the 2016 election, and all have concluded, like the multiple agencies charged w

she's the judge presiding over roger stone's case. it's judge jackson who also handled the case of paul manafort. let's go straight to the white house and kaitlan collins, she's in the midst of all of this. we also know that the president pulled the treasury nomination of a former u.s. attorney who oversaw the roger stone prosecution. you tell me, what's going on? >> reporter: there's a lot going on. that nomination that was pulled is just one small part of all of this. it's a crucial point. that is someone who oversaw the u.s. attorney's office. that is the office that handled the prosecution of roger stone. they're also the ones in charge of several other ongoing major cases including that one related to the deputy -- or the former deputy fbi director, andrew mccabe. this is jess see liu. she was nominated for this top treasury job. she left the u.s. attorney's office in washington, was replaced by a close associate of bill barr's, and we are now being told that the reason they abruptly pulled her nomination was directly linked to t

i know roger better than a lot of people know roger, everybody kind of knows roger. and what happened to him is unbelievable. they say that he lied. but other people lied too. just to mention comey lied. ml1 ccabe lied. her lover, peter strzok lied. you don't know who these people are, just trust me, they all lied. [laughter] you have people that forged documents, you have people that wrote fake dossiers and brought them to the fbi and used people in the justice department to get them to the fbi. and these people know in the front row, you know better than anybody in this room what the hell i am talking about, probably. i'm not even talking to the folks out there. but they get a better than anybody too. a lot of bad things are happening. we are cleaning it out. we are cleaning the swamp, we are draining the swamp. i just never knew how deep the swamp was. so if this woman was tainted, i hope that the judge will find that she was tainted. and if she is not, that will be fine too. but i'm not going to do anything in terms of the great powers bestowed upon a president o

>> i think this actually hurts roger stone in the end. >> you do? >> i think she might have been more likely to be around four years, five years short of something like this. now it's a really open question in my mind. >> one of the important things in the justice system, right, is that you want people to knowino to get special treatment and for a jum dge knowing everything sh knows about this case, and if she somehow thinks that roger stone is getting special treatment because of the his relationship with the president, that's where i think this could potentially hurt roger stone. >> isn't she also thinking trump may pardon him? and how much would that factor? could he pardon him now? >> he could pardon him at any moment in time. even before the trial he could have. he's chosen not to do that. it feels weird to pardon him now before sentencing. >> i just want to make one point in this. covering this trial, what was so important in this case was prosecutors, they were very concerned that the jurors weren't going to take this seriously. this is their

the president claiming that his longtime friend roger stone was treated very badly.

roger stone screwed up. but he screwed up in an investigation that never should have been going on to begin with. >> i think there were people at the highest levels of the intelligence community, potentially even at the national security council and the obama white house that were setting this up. this was a setup from the very beginning by people who didn't think trump would win. once he won they set it in motion. they decided they had were going to get trump and the weak link with mike flynn, let's start there. trish: witch hund it was. almost as if the deep state wanted to punish anyone in the president trump orbit. when andy mccabe lies to the fine, nothing happens. but when a trump supporter lies he risks having the book thrown at him. does the crime fit the punish meteorologist a first time offender in his late 60s heading to jail for possibly a decade? stone's lawyers are asking for a new trial. on this we should all be unanimous. he deserves one. the jury was biased. i have shown you the evidence. th

if roger stone does not

hated roger stone who was even tweedy could be very open about of. you know usually that would lead to a mistrial or something but it's this point you brought up to really like this. here is that. when you have the justice department so overtly politicized you're in you're in a bad place you're live very place here in what's more so is that you have half the country enraged by this and when you have the liberal news outlets praising the mccabe's in villainize thing the roger stones of the world that you're playing with dynamite well it's not the only example i mean look at these so-called whistle wars this is not a good mother good point absolutely there is this alexander. did anyone expect him to have a new trouble you know when he came out with this statement that you know papers were lionizing presenting he might say he would order his family. well split on the protection or military base you. compare it to what happened to julian assange and compare it to what happened to it with snowden and it's not only internationally see mandate is. still abs