the source says trump thought he was getting roger ailes but instead he got roger ailes' gopher. rick, can anybody be the director of communications for donald trump? >> ali, of course not. and gabe, you know, has great sourcing on these stories about how the differential between what trump expected and what shine could deliver was vast. you know, look, he didn't need bill shine as an interlock tore between himself and sean hannity. he gets phone calls from sean hannity all the time. trump is his own program director. his own communications director. he comes up with this stuff on the fly. no exquisitely laid out plan will survive contact with donald trump's twitter feed. the entire thing is contingent what trump is going to do at any given moment, what impulses take him. so shine was doom from the beginning. in the future, all of us would be white house communications director for 15 minutes because this thing is just going to go on and on and on. nobody can survive in this job. it is impossible. it is completely, you know, completely fruitless position to hold. >> it is riding

trump thought he was getting roger ailes but he got roger ailes's ghoper. p campaign of megan kelly's question of blood coming out of her eyes or etcetera, etc. >> their foxco context gave the advanc candidates if they support the republican nominee of whatever he wants. it is striking to me that donald trump would believe that merging with fox would give him good coverage in other media entities, right, and not just on folks? is this a sense of inside trump world thinking fox is the media and they influence the way how the rest of us all cover him? >> we have seen going back to the campaign, there is no line of separation between the donald trump white house and fox news. donald trump's entire world view seems to be informed by whatever he watches on fox. when he change ls the channels d watching msnbc, he can't understand why the coverage is not mirror what he sees on fox. we see him constantly trying to put fox people in the administration or into the close relationship with the trump family and personal lives. at no point does it work and trump ever actu

trump thought he was getting roger ailes but instead he got roger ailes gopher.t, and the shine perplex. >> yes, well, shine of course was the person who was the clean up guy. he went around and cleaned up the messes from roger ailes, from bill o'reilly, from all of them. you know, he is not the guy who makes the pretty pictures, he's the guy who manages the talent who helped trump get elected. so perhaps trump didn't exactly wha get what he wanted but as jim said no one is going to get him what he wants, trump is trump and he's going to go do his own thing. i think it's very possible that the article kind of was the tipping point for trump. if there's one thing trump hates it's to be portrayed as someone's pawn, and he hates that kind of stuff, so that could well have been the final straw. >> it strikes me as sort of scandalous, i'll stick with you, one of the things jane wrote about in this piece, bill shine was more personally involved with covering up the record of roger ailes with respect to sexual harassment in the workplace than any other single person tha

they're entirely gone after roger ailes's demise.nd you have not only a revolving door -- >> now he's on stage. >> -- but you have the former president of fox news directing communications at the white house and as the number two deputy assistant to the president. that is the equivalent of a two-star general in the white house in terms of rankings. there is -- the fox news apparatus, the base, and the consumer base are all the same thing. there's a total blending. >> i mean, joe, is there any precedent for an administration being so tied to a media outlet? >> there's nothing even close. i'm old enough to remember when there was outrage that george will, the conservative commentator, went to debate prep with ronald reagan in 1984. and this was a big story. there's nothing close to this. and i think, you know, jane really puts her finger on something important, that fox is no longer the conservative alternative to the so-called liberal media. she focuses in on why there is such a symbiotic relationship because they're the network that

these specifics of roger ailes or spiking the story, that's all new information we never had before. >> right. the beauty of the reporting that jane has done is that it combines the things we do know and trump goes on sean hannity show for softball interviews, that he watches fox daily for hours on end. those are the sort of things that we already knew and combines it with specifics to show how you correctly said that relationship is and that they not only supply him with his information rather than having an administration expert, his military provide him with information, they do but that he will follow them so slavishly that when they make an error, he will pick up on it, so if they put up a card on air that incorrectly states crime statistics, he will repeat that when they come up with a bogus story about white farmers lands being seized in south africa and being murdered, he will repeat this. it is a real question what is leading whom here. is it ails old operation that is leading trump around by the nose or leading them around by the nose. >> frank, to this expansion of the jud

fetish about the quote working class you know as if he knows really a part member that married to roger ailes is vision of fear and kind of the leak to them fear driving it so when they meet together it's this perfect you know like chocolate and peanut butter or kind of match and it's almost fiendish in simplicity. you do you scare people a lot of it is said to say a lot of it has been fear it could be other things as well as in a phobia racism etc etc and you mix that together and you've got this this perfect stew that can be fed to people and then they reflect that back and you know it's a money making venture as well so what's not to like yeah it's really not what you know i mean even roger ailes was you know. when he started out i mean a lot of his thesis of the world was that richard nixon probably would have been president for ever had he had a fox news around sure and now we're seeing you know. posthumously his thesis possibly play you know well you are absolutely right about that go raimi because even before even fox news was embarrassed by glenn beck he had a feel for that pinpoint t

, and he said something that stuck with me, he said post watergate, roger ailes' entire conceptof fox news was to prevent that from happening again. now we're watching donald trump have scandal after scandal after scandal, except you have a right wing echo chamber which cannot be pierced in order to give facts to the people who essentially -- who may change their minds if they heard some of the detail around some of these scandals. so the idea and conversations we keep having about like what's going to matter? are we ever going to hit bottom? i think finally now we will because we have an alternative to the fox news platform. we now have congressional hearings which will also play on fox news, where some of that truth will at least get to some of their audience. >> but i would add just conservatives, though the few who sincere conservatives who remain, really ought to be outraged. this was supposed to be a pro-business administration. here you've got two companies trying to complete what's called a vertical merger, vertical mergers have not been challenged for a very long time.

advance notice of the primary debate question with the help of deceased former head of fox news roger ailes although the leak of a debate question on the other side of the political spectrum in twenty sixteen was actually confirmed former c.n.n. commentator donna brazil admitted she used her position to give a heads up to hillary clinton questions at the c.n.n. host the debate in twenty sixteen she was working as a party chairwoman at that time political commentator steve malzberg sees the democrats' response as a critical. you know how many members of the obama administration are now staffing the positions at c.n.n. and m.s.n. b.c. and n.b.c. and c.b.s. and a.b.c. the whole thing is just of seen and ridiculous in the tank they all are the opposition to donald trump they're not fair and balanced this is just more dementia if you will or trumped arrangement syndrome whatever you want to call it they hate trumps so much so you know how we're going to take it from fox news fox news is the epitome and the body image of all that's evil in the world i think one way or another see it motivates the

howie: a fox execute which with roger ailes tells me he was furious at the questions he didn't know about ahead of time. the primetime hosts and hosts of "fox and friends" are supportive of trump, but not always. trump does watch a lot of fox. but here is what wasn't included. fox has a full-fledged news division of which you and i and other reports and anchors are a part. do you feel that's often overlooked? bret: yes. this has been happening since i have been here, 22 years. defending fox. there are two sides. the news side and opinion side. the loudest critics of fox are often people who don't watch. i say watch my show three times, then drop me an email or post or twitter wheat. the people who do say that they, you know, they get it, they think it's fair. howie: you complained on the air about not being able to get an interview with president trump. bret: it took me 600 days. i had to chase him down in singapore to get my first interview. chris wallace was even later than that. listen. there is a disconnect here. there is a bit. chris said this on the radio earlier this week. there is

given advance notice of a primary debate question with the help of fox news former chief executive roger ailes. now whether the leak of a debate question on the other side of the political spectrum in twenty sixteen was actually confirmed for c.n.n. commentator donna brazil admitted that she used her position to give a heads up to hillary clinton on questions and topics at the c.n.n. host a debate in two thousand and sixteen she was working as a party chairwoman at that time. let's bring in political commentators the mall's burgo to get some analysis on this the republicans the democrats that are going to conduct debates on rival t.v. platforms for the twenty twenty race would you make of this. oh the whole thing is so ridiculous i mean fox news is acting inappropriately with the trumpet ministration you know how many members of the obama administration are now staffing the positions at c.n.n. and m.s.n. b.c. and n.b.c. and c.b.s. and a.b.c. the whole thing is just of seen and ridiculous and of course it neal as you pointed out the donna brazil and since they don't care about what c.n.n. did w

was given advance notice of a primary debate question with the help of fox news former chief exec roger ailes although the leak of a debate question on the other side of the political spectrum in two and sixteen was actually confirmed former c.n.n. commentator donna brazil admitted that she used her position to give a heads up to hillary clinton on questions and topics at the c.n.n. hosted debate in twenty sixteen she was working as a party chairwoman at the time. ok let's bring in journalist and author daniel lazhar good to have you on daniel fascinating subject this so the democrats once a boycott fox trumps threatening to boycott certain channels i think we pretty much know which ones they are but what's it going to do in terms of affecting the elections next year do you think. well the whole political structure is falling apart really rapidly. there's a civil war going on in washington the media the democrats republicans are all choosing sides. and it kind of neutrality is totally broken down comity has vanished. i mean whatever happened twenty twenty will be an all out unstructured war i

as in documentaries about harvey weinstein, roger ailes, and musician r.he will people being accused have always held the power. and the fact some of these victims are now speaking up, it's time to hear their story. one of those stories apoors in hbo's new film that alleges michael jackson molested them as boys. they spoke with gale king. >> as michael started doing the sexual acts, he started talking about we love each other and this is how we love each other and this is how we show each other our love. >> reporter: not surprising michael jackson's family gives this a thumbs down. they're suing hbo for a half million dollars and they're suing because they're not in it. isn't it supposed to be balanced? you never even talk toads us. do they have a point? >> i think everybody has a point. but aren't necessarily under any kind of obligation to present anything other than a particular point of view. it's story telling from a particular perspective with a particular goal. >> a lot of people think a documentary is truth. but i think there's a difference between

first he worked at fox news, a producer for sean hannity, later an executive and close ally to roger ailes. he became co-president in 2016 after ailes resigned after accusations of sexual misconduct. bill shine was accused of failing to properly address the accusations at the network. according to a new yorker piece out just four days ago, fox news continues to pay him severance payments. he took on the role of white house communications director, but his effect on the white house remains to be seen. shooin was away on vacation during the shut down. current a interrue he said any expectation that he would be by the president's side crafting a cohesive message is a mischaracterization of the role he has come to play as communications chief. shine is not satisfied that the president's demand for better news coverage, but they bonded over a tendency to hold grudges against certain journalists. hans, we talked about this earlier. the question becomes when someone leaves the white house to join the campaign, is it good or bad? what does it mean? >> i think tonight one point on that is to watch

he was the former fox news executive who came up under roger ailes. resume made sense to so many people when he was announced for this job. most of the reporting tonight seems to indicate the president was unimpressed and never took a shine to the communications director. as time wore on, it became clearer mr. shine did not develop a close relationship with mr. trump. annie karni reports, shine never set up his voice mail for what it is worth. no successor has been announced. his legacy may be the end of the white house's daily press briefings. let's talk with our guests, jonathan allen and phillip eliot for "time" magazine. eliot, we'll start with you, was this departure with bill shine or donald trump or a combination about both. >> possibly with fox news. a major report from the new yorker on the proximity of the white house and fox news with the major next being bill shine. he was still receiving severance payments from fox news while he was earning money at the white house. people at the white house were aware of that. but, there is a lot of pete

murdoch was a critic of trump in the beginning and roger ailes was uncomfortable with the situation.ngs, it was true that trump was getting great ratings. it's still true. there's aincentive to do good news about trump. the audience turns away when there's bad news from trump. they make more money by making him look good. >> you talk about, in the beginning of the article, whether fox is a propaganda machine for the administration. do you believe it is? >> i mean, i think it's a big concern. i think there are a lot of questions raised by all of this reporting i was doing. there's more reporting to be done. we have seen there were a lot of favors that were done for rupert murdoch by this add plrministra. it's situation i wouldn't like to see in this country where we have state propaganda coming out of one of our largest cable companies. >> it's a fascinating article. it's in the new yorker. i recommends people read it. thank you so much. >>> new insight about the lengths that president trump's friends made sure his high school transcript never got out after he heard president obama wa

some sexual harassment is crystal clear, roger ailes, things like that.here's the grayer areas. should everybody lose their jobs over offensive comments, say. this one is hard to know who is in the right. where is kirsten gillibrand on this problem? >> yeah. that's such an important point and highlights why this issue is so difficult broadly, i think for society, but particularly for kirsten gillibrand because of the sand stand she's taken on this issue in the senate and body she's a party of and also in the military. she's taken a stand. she is the senator who has taken a stand on this issue. it becomes extremely difficult when there is something going on in her own house. we don't know exactly what it is that happened. i think we have seen examples in the public sphere of people losing their jobs or losing their place because of inappropriate comments. there can be inappropriate comments so offensive, and they make people so uncomfortable in the workplace it is something that ought to have consequences in the workplace. we just don't know. for gillibran

. >> the rebuttal is sean hannity and roger ailes, running fox who went onto advice donald trump of thecompany seems to have more political sway than the journal. i think it's an interesting argument you raise. i don't think it's that helpful. it reminds us of the difference. >> it will be interesting to see who they will point finger at. when she shares her information with congress. >> i would argue -- let me put you a little more. they are pointing the finger at ken lacorte. they are saying there's false cover story. >> they are saying it goes higher. >> if i remember correctly i think the fox story it suggested it may have gone as high as murdoch. that's why i make the murdoch connection to the wall street journal that did this reporting and helped the silencing of these women come to light. >> there segment is about fox news and not the wall street. >> it's about the efforts of this former fox reporter to basically break her silence and come forward with more information. >> either they have it or they don't. if they can't prove this and making wild allegations then it kind of goes

roger ailes was advising president trump following his departure from fox news. bill shine was working there. this is dangerous. it doesn't make sense to validate this as normal. >> would you have had adrian sokirof go on tv? >> would i? >> would you have had him -- had that opportunity emerged would you have had him go on soviet tv for 90 minutes and tell the people this is a dictator regime? >> i'm not going to engage in something that was before i was worn. what i will say is that at the end of the day we know -- i want to talk about what we know now in the present. what we know here and now about fox news it's basically completely aligned with the trump administration. there are other ways to reach voters. there's podcasts. there's channels that can be distribution channels that can reach voters. why wouldn't we use those channels? >> there should be solidarity in certain situations. if a fox news reporter was blacklisted from the white house, we should all stand up for that fox news reporter. this is a democratic national committee issue. fox's fight is with

if there is a claim that murdoch owned fox -- >> the rebuttal to that is that sean hannity and roger ailes who were important at fox at the time went on to advice hvise hi the debates, that part of the company has more political way. >> it will be interesting to see who they will point the finger at when she shares her information with congress. >> let me push you a little more, they're pointing a finger at le cord. they're saying there is a false cover story. >> they're saying it goes higher, and if i remember correctly i think the fox story suggested as high as mur dodoch that's why i make the connection, and it helped the silencing of this come to life. >> this segment is about fox news and not "the wall street journal." >> but it is also about the efforts of a former reporter to break her silence and come forward. >> they have it or they don't, right? if they can't prove it and they're just making wild allegations, then it kind of goes away, if they can go to congress at a high level and say that they were doing something wrong, that could be a story. >> everyone wants to similarfulsim

bottom line unlike this network that brought in outside firm during the roger ailes controversy to investigaten never brought in external firm to investigate f how that happened because that's a very serious thing, obviously. just unpack a couple things. you talked about how also said senior media correspondent talked about how democrats are d human on this network and that doesn't explain how tulsi gabbard appeared on your show last week and tweeted after to her hundreds of thousands of followers video off thevi segment. doesn't explaingmt. why kamala harris did an interview on fox news why clague. john delaney, all presidential candidates appearing on the network but amy clothes but char said this to bret baier one of the reaches i came on this show i believe that candidates for officewh whether democrat or republican have to go not just where it's comfortable but where it is uncomfortable. but you know fox may not always be comfortable for democrats but i want to make that point. and tom perez, the head of the dnc doesn't understand the challenge that his candidates have. there is probably

. >> the late roger ailes, then in charge. and bill shine from fox, now the white house communications director, they've hired a lot of people from fox, we know his appearances, the president's appearances on fox, mike pompeo, not known for doing a lot of network interviews, about three fox interviews in one day. >> i think at this point fox has gotten something like 44 presidential interviews. the rest of the networks have gotten ten altogether. i think cnn got none. clearly the president is playing favorites. he's very tight with fox. and the former president of fox who is now his communications director. it's a very close loop that they've got going. and i think, you know, a lot of people i interviewed said it raises questions that are troubling about our democracy, when the number one rated cable news show is -- appears many times to be an arm of the white house. >> and of course sean hannity appearing onstage and at other events. fox news, we should point out, has some great reporters and correspondents. >> they do, and i

. >> neil: and you had it in here, too, i'd be remiss -- you had to deal with roger ailes dealing withing you deal with it. you had problems with him. him was maybe more innocent harassment or worse. how would you -- >> i wanted to paint the relationship with him good and bad. he wasn't darth vader. he was a good man in many ways. he helped me greatly. i came over to fox when i was in a dark period of time. i hope that i give him justice because he did some very good things for people here. he was loyal. he was a good boss. there were things that were true about him as well that i had to write about. it's a testament to fox to tell me, you can write that story. >> neil: now, how -- he invited you in the back to a hotel, right? and it didn't go further than that. but obviously made you uncomfortable and there was never anything after that. when you made it clear in your book that that was not your interest. >> yeah. but you know, i dealt with harassment throughout my whole broadcasting career unfortunately. so the situations were him, i had dealt with it before. i laughed it off or i tr

. >> roger ailes is one of the great men in television. >> no question that trump benefited from a let'say symbiotic relationship. aides say the relationship is so key to this president, the one with fox, they're calling the shots. president trump has told confidantes that he ranks the network reporters loyal to him on a scale of one to ten, like in a beauty contest. sean hannity gets a 10, while steve doocy gets a 12. fox says it important for the base. in return, the new yorker finds a troubling pattern in which the president himself works on behalf of foxnews's economic interests. he ordered gary cohn to pressure the justice department to intervene in a lawsuit. i first want to go to dylan. without getting into details of anti-trust and all this, why is the president of the united states working for fox? >> well, you have to almost reverse engineer this, okay? fox news has from its inception been a business, and it is focused on bottom line. the business that rupert murdoch saw in the united states was that he could capitalize on the anxieties and resentment of conservatives who feel

right now which we're siloed into two big media pools and you have the most brilliant creation of roger ailes, who was a genius another television. whether you love or hate roger, he was a genius at creating television. he built the machine that holds donald trump aloft in our society today. fox news reaches 90 million americans. that's a lot. that's a lot of eyeballs every day. the dominant cable force in the country. that doesn't mean they're completely able to set the agenda for the whole country. they are constant drip feed of fear for a lot of the trump base, a constant pressure up wear on trump's numbers for the republican base and enforcement mechanism but we have a press right now that understands sometimes it has to get in the fight to preserve its role in our sew do it preserve its as an institution when it's under a withering attack main who holds the free press in utter contempt. and the irony of my republican:leagues, many of them declare themselves to be strict constitutionalists and as an all strict constitutionalist, i'm a big fan of the second amendment but not the only one i

roger ailes left in 2016 and i think that -- so i think it has more to do with the president than itnew role, the former speaker of the house and his new role over on the board of fox corp and do you think that factors in? >> yeah, the other big thing that's happening is there's a new ceo of fox corporation, lock lynn murdock is taking over, the corporation is much smaller than it used to be. they sold all of their television and studio assets to disney. paul ryan has joined the board. he's definitely someone who represents the conservative principal that's "fox news" opinion hosts would be supportive of but he's not a trump person. he's somebody who has really, you know, trump was very negative about him. he didn't support trump. >> they weren't buddy buddy. >> no. i think what you can read into that is that, there is this effort -- i think "fox news" has realized that people like sean hannity or janine pirro can have their opinions but that's branding the entire network as trump tv as we've seen. the big new yorker piece was very much about that mind meld and there are people insid

he was front and center in a lot of the roger ailes sexual harassment scandals at fox news. he was accused in multiple lawsuits of covering up and enabling that sexual misconduct. meanwhile, he himself was not actually accused of wrongdoing. >> and still paid out 7 million bucks. >> he had really nowhere else to go. the trump white house is a landing pad for people who can't really get any other jobs. >> how about that. >> well said. >> if you can't get a job anywhere else, you can go work -- >> at the white house. that's kind of a fascinating thought in and of itself, isn't it? >> fascinating is one word. >> thank you, gabe. hans, thank you as well. >>> president trump and his former personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen are -- talk about a break up -- they're going back and forth in a war of words on twitter this morning. president trump is now claiming that michael cohen not only asked for a pardon, directly asked him for a pardon. he tweets, quote, bad lawyer and fraud roadster michael cohen said under sworn testimony that he never asked for a pardon. his lawyers total

roger ailes shared key questions from the 2015 fox news hosted republican primary debate with candidate trump beforehand, including a question by then fox host megyn kelly pressing him on past misogynistic comments. the report also confirms that fox news reporter diana falzone had evidence of trump's illegal hush money payments to stormy daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign, but that her story was censured and a fox executive told her, quote "good reporting, kiddo. but rupert wants donald trump to win. so just let it go." rupert murdoch owns fox news and has long been an ally of trump. after suing and settling with fox, falzone signed a non-disclosure agreement, ensuring the network never released the story. in environmental news, a new report finds that coal waste from hundreds of coal-fired power plants around the country has contaminated groundwater in 39 states with unsafe amounts of toxic chemicals. in some cases, the dangerous toxic substances including arsenic, lithium and mercury, have leached into local drinking water supplies. the lead author of the report by the envi

white house operation now run by bill shine, the comms operation who used to run fox news and was roger ailes second in command and the white house itself. >> just to underscore that, just to give one example, there was a time last summer where the fox & friends segment was an entire package built around one of the claims in donald trump's tweet. donald trump tweeted about that segment, seemingly disconnected from the fact that he was even the source of it. which i think was just amazing. >> he tweeted about the segment as if here's some new information i just learned in my morning shows. >> to me that goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to tease out really who's leading who. but it gets to what i think was one of the key takeaways aside from the fact that it was more of a propaganda operation and that is that fox is afraid of its own audience too now. so could they stop if they wanted to? it doesn't seem that way. >> that's what happened during the shutdown, which is really interesting to me. at a certain point he's trapped in a corner. his approval ratings are going down. it's really

and then roger ailes, who was running fox news at the time, as you say, was very uncomfortable with theuation. among other things, it was true that trump was getting glaet ratings. and it's still true. i mean, the thing is he's bankable. and there's a financial incentive actually for fox to do good news about trump. their ratings go up when trump looks good. and people -- their audience sort of turns away when there's bad news for trump. so they actually make more money by making him look good. >> you talk about in the beginnibegi beginning of the article whether fox is a propaganda basically machine for the administration. do you believe it is? >> well, i mean, i think it's a big concern. i think there are a lot of questions raised by all of this reporting i was doing. and there's more reporting to be done. but we've seen that there were a lot of favors that were done for rupert murdoch by this administration. it could be there are innocent explanations. people need to know more about it. and i think, you know -- i think that it's -- it's a situation that i wouldn't like to see in this

two people close to the trump campaign, actually, said that there's an eyewitness who said that roger ailes trump in advance to two key debate questions and the first really big republican presidential debate. just to, again, be fair, there are certainly people in the campaign and at fox who deny this, but there is an eyewitness at fox who says it happened. >> and, i mean, one of those -- everybody remembers one of those questions and that was megan kelly's questions where she asked him about his treatment of women. that was a breathtaking moment in one debate. he attacked her, it spilled into a feud. so the idea that he might have known that that was coming -- and you have good reason to believe that he might have known because it sounds like he tried to call fox beforehand to complain. >> megyn kelly's book says that he called fox in advance and he said i hear you're -- that megyn kelly is going to ask a really tough question, he called and had some kind of conversation, we know that. megyn kelly has said she doesn't think that he was tipped off, but there are people there who claim that

fox was sort of working to silence the story -- >> the rebuttal to that is, as sean hannity and roger aileso was important running fox at the time, who went on to literally advise donald trump on the debates, that part of the company seems to have more political sway than "the journal." i think that's an interesting argument that you raise but i don't think it's that helpful. it reminds us the difference between sean hannity and "the wall street journal." >> it depends on -- it will be interesting to see who they're going to point the finger at when she actually shares her information with congress. >> i would argue -- let me push you a little more since we're all journalists pushing each other. they're pointing the finger at ken mccord. they're saying there is a false cover story. >> how high does it go? >> can you prove it? >> the fox story suggested it might go as high as murdoch. that's why i make the connection of murdoch to "the wall street journal" which did the groundbreaking reporting on this issue. >> i guess this segment is about fox news not "the wall street journal." >> okay. w

who also represented gretchen carlson in a sexual harassment lawsuit against former fox news ceo roger aileshief counsel of the senate watergate committee who knows a thing or two about investigating political crimes. thanks to each of you for being here. nancy, before we get deep into the details, what do you think mr. davidson, whatever his credibility, the core of what he's saying, does that help the case against trump? because it seems like another person corroborating that this was campaign-related. >> it absolutely does, and the timing does as well. when you're talking about mid-october, weeks before the election, you're talking about something that could clearly affect an election. obviously trump thought that, and there are witnesses who spoke to jane mayer at "the new yorker"s who indicate that murdoch knew that as well. that's why the story was killed according to jane mayer at "the new yorker." >> although they deny that. >> they deny it, but this is really easy. this is simple. maybe congress should subpoena my client and all of her records, and then we will see exactly what fox

. >> roger ailes had the brilliant idea of creating a network for conservatives, thus fox news. >> the of a liberal counterpart. >> people watch fox news thinking there's news in it. racists, loons and pinheads. >> there was no longer a shared, factual basis for our political views. we didn't all go home and watch walter cronkite. >> "crossfire." on the left, james carville and paul begala. on the right, robert novak and tucker carlson. in the crossfire -- >> i remember when jon stewart went on "crossfire." it was 2004. john kerry was the democratic presidential nominee facing george w. bush. and i thought, you know, watching it, i said, this is going to be a funny show. >> can i say something very quickly? why do we have to fight? the two of you, can't we just say something nice about john kerry, right now. >> i like john. i care about john kerry. >> and something about president bush. >> he'll be unemployed soon. >> anyone who enjoyed paying attention to the news and watched "the daily show" will forever remember jon stewart going on "crossfire" and reading those guys the riot act. >