we've got to bring in roger altman. joining us roger altman founder and chairman of ever corp.partners. deputy treasury secretary. roger, i immediately tried to say this is a prime example that people like you and people in the clinton administration are now on the far right of this party you have now. that the center of this party is skewed so far left that where larry summers looks like a deregulatory -- deregulation minded banking, you know, crony capitalist that is totally unacceptable to the people that are running your party now. >> well, joe, i think it's -- unfortunately, it's testimony to the continued fallout from 2008. and the continued deep antipathy on the part of the public towards wall street and the broader financial community. and that played out here in a perception, i don't think it was right, that larry was too close to wall street and that during the clinton years he had participated in certain decisions which resulted in financial deregulation, which are looked back on and seen as having contributed to the events of 2008. i think you also saw here the degr

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