. >> gene, roger ayles has helped us greatly with this, he instituted the policy at fox news that ifbout running for president, even before declaring, you have to get off my payroll. she and mike huckabee stayed on the payroll. therefore, telling all of us, we're not running. >> that's exactly right, because if you even -- if the thought had even crossed your mind that you might end up being a candidate, would you do that to roger ayles if you're a republican, would you alienate roger ayles by keeping that a secret from him and embarrassing him? i wouldn't, and i don't think any of them would. huckabee didn't and she didn't. she's not running for president. >> she's making very easy money from roger ayles, which she would continue to make after she lost in the republican primaries, if she was ever silly enough to get in them, which she isn't. >> right. look, there are already two actual candidates with actual campaigns who are out there scarfing up her potential voters, and her constituency, rick perry and michele bachmann. she has no campaign machinery, she does not have the discipl