i quote one the co-founders of the aclu, roger baldwin. read roger baldwin "liberty under the soviets." one the founder was harry ward. he was a methodist minister. and i quote a piece that harry ward wrote for protestant digest. he's warning a full decade and before joe mccarthy, he's warning about the next red scare. first it was alexander mitchell palmer and woodrow wilson. both democrats. then it was martin dyes of texas. democrat. then it was this guy. now it's this guy. joe mccarthy, they would have found their joe mccarthy in any event. that's not defend any of the mccarthy's excesses, please. but we know have the evidence of how many of these people were guilty and the lay they lied and misled people. it's been very disturbing. other questions right there. yes? >> i wonder if you have any comment on the role of american corporations as dupes for america's foes such as henry ford. and the ford corporation and also -- >>arm & hammer. >> yeah. >> also now that the flow of corporate money into elections has become the flood gates have