that's probably our most experienced operator right there, roger boulby, and he's working on one of the most difficult parts of the project we've run into so far, which is trying to excavate a bend in the river, and this won't be the river anymore. this'll be a gravel bar, and that will be the river over there. it's a feat of engineering. man: for us to bring this river back to support salmon runs anywhere near the historic scale, you got to go big. you can't do it small. putting a few logs in the river isn't going to bring back, you know, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of salmon a year in this river. it took decades and incredible amounts of manpower to put us where we are right now, and it's people who have to put it back. brandowski: we implement these projects in a way that we're providing that foundation for the river to actually really do it itself. if we build it and it actually stays static, then we've really failed, and we really want the river to take it to the next step, and we want dynamic processes. we want natural processes to happen. one of the ways that we do