we lost roger chaffee. so we kind of understood that. i do not recall anybody being terribly discouraged by the fire. we really wanted to get the first flight. we were very pleased. and wally was already kind of looking forward to leaving nasa eventually. so his attitude kind of changed on that. he started getting more serious on-the-job. i just felt very fortunate. i do not remember ever really being frightened about flying. you fly airplanes and people get killed all the time. you usually find some reason to blame the pilot. because then it would not have happened to you. >> talk about fear. do you have any? [laughter] >> i think i have a little fear from time to time. but in those days, i was too stupid to be afraid. [laughter] there is an attitudinal thing. i am not a psychologist, i read about a lot of that stuff. i think there is a difference in mentality about how people feel about these things. recognizing it, being aware of it intellectually, is an important step. i think a lot of people are afraid of things because they do not

we lost roger chaffee. so we kind of understood that. and i do not recall anybody being terribly discouraged by the fire. we really wanted to get the first flight. we were very pleased. and wally was already kind of looking forward to leaving nasa eventually. so his attitude kind of changed on that. he started getting more serious on-the-job. i just felt very fortunate. i do not remember ever really being frightened about flying. you fly airplanes and people get killed all the time. people that got killed all the time and rightly or wrongly, you find some reason to blame the pilot. then it wouldn't have happened to you. >> talk about fear. how you handled it. or do you have any? >> now i think