. >> i had a great discussion on roger cummings, who runs an urban art group.nd one of the points that he had made to me was really interesting. he said that the reason that he was doing what he was doing with -- it's a public art group that also employees architecture. he was trying to change the face of his own community to raise, i guess the spirits of the people that are in that community. because when you see yourself reflected in something, then you tend to follow what those expectations are that you're growing up with. and when we see johnny depp playing an indian all over tv, then people are thinking that's all right. and that becomes the social norm. not that it has become a social norm, but it reinforces something that already existed. >> if you could take a dell overrian time machine and give him advice? what would you say. >> if i had to talk to johnny depp two years ago about playing tonight oh, i would take wrigley and have a throw-down. >> massive throw-down, right? >> yeah, very passive. >> we put on a question on native americans. >> i want to