i thought i had roger fedor on the other side of the net. >> the book feels fresh because the stall the one —- the stories are unfolding in real time. we don't know how the coronavirus will evolve. so your characters work on infectious disease took on new significance of that backdrop they are actively reinterpreting their own path in real time so like the economy for example we have had decades for more stable understanding of what they had done so maybe i need to rewrite my own understanding. >> that's true. it is not unprecedented. and like moneyball from first meeting thehe characters and delivery of books in both cases over a year and did not feel like i needed another. i think that's right. they were all a little surprised i showed up on their doorstep. i cannot tell you how many times they say why are you talking to me? i'm a public health officer. >> you don't understand. you are really important. just like don't talk to me and i went to remain in the basement until i retire. that it is true that i think they think of themselves differently than they did in the beginning. it's a