. >> roger gannon, your organization liberty council wants to keep the ban in place.did you make of secretary gates statement and what do you think is happening behind the scenes? >> well, i think it's not surprising to anyone who is paying attention to what happened two years ago when the ban on openly gay members was first removed. we have to remember that the mission of the body scouts is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral decisions. boy scouts of america went all the way to the united states supreme court to defend what they call their timeless values including moral opposition to homosexual practice. but what you see is the boy scouts making pragmatic decisions instead of morally based decisions, it sets a terrible standard for its leadership, it's a continuation really of the logical decision they made two years ago ago. >> with the promise to be morally straight, are you saying that it is incompatible with being a gay person to promise to be morally straight? can a gay scout leader be morally straight? >> well, first of all i think we have to loo