with me in the studio, roger mcnamee, cofounder of elevation partners. licon valley cannot widely -- came out widely against trump. what has been the reaction over the last several months as the revelations have unfolded? roger: the stock market has had no problem with any of this. especially not for tech stocks. at some level, people in silicon valley are very happy with what has happened to their stock valuations. where i think the challenge comes in is with all of the focus on fake news, there has been a failure to appreciate the real challenge from the russians came with manipulating public opinion around things people may have believed, reinforcing them so strongly it caused some people not to vote and other people to get into various emotional states that were not healthy. the thing we do not want to lose sight of is that is still going on. there was a report this morning about the russians putting bots into twitter to influence public opinion in the united states. i think the tech industry has to this point gotten a free pass on all of this stuff.

. >>> joining us now for more, roger mcnamee. welcome, rog ferroger. >> good to be. tough day, huh? >> it seems unlikely governments are going to stop stockpiling cyber tools, cyber weapons. it seems like the nuclear arms race. but what should we expect to happen from here? i mean, i think it's kind of mind blowing that this got out there. >> jon, i think that's exactly the point. it's not like this was a new kind of hat. people have been doing ransom ware hacks of this kind for ten years. the bitcoina agngle and the low ransom price allowed them to scale it globally to the thing we're seeing right now. there are unintended consequences of technology we never used to experience that are now happening at huge scales. this is not the only kind of one we're going to see. and the question is who is responsible when one of these things happens? and you look at this and there's blame to go around. and the thing that troubles me is that the industry in general has historically been so optimistic. it's said, hey, none of the consequences of what we do are going to be that bi

we talked about uber and its ongoing battle with wamo with eric newcomer and famed investor roger mcnameevestor in facebook and cofounded a private equity. he brought us up to speed on the latest uber headlines. >> uber basically was saying you have to testify at our civil suit, even though you are pleading the fifth, or we will fire you. that's not that big of a surprise. they need to show they want him to testify in their defense. emily: this is a huge court battle over self driving cars, and you think this is a big deal. >> i think it's a huge deal. and the reason i think it is huge deal is that self driving cars are further out than the conventional wisdom, and will not come soon enough to save uber. they are better off taking the money they would invest in it and buying cars from some of the company that makes them and just as in china, where the great move was to get 10% of didi, and then exit the market, i think exiting self driving cars will be a profoundly positive thing, if and when uber chooses. emily: but they already have self driving cars on the road. >> yes. so what? the pa