know, i think when you look back at the sport over the years, when guys like rick hendrick and roger penske and gene haas and these guys come into the sport, it changed the playing field of the entire sport. and you went from having family-run businesses to billionaire's playgrounds and so -- >> well put. >> -- talk about jeff gordon. >> so i think really when you look at it, these guys, rick hendrick, roger penske, gene haas, joe gibbs racing, they race purely for fun. this is an ego thing and they're going to spend the money it takes to have fast race cars. and it was run more like a business at rpm and i enjoyed my six years there. it was an opportunity that i'll forever be thankful for. and it got me to where i'm at today, but, you know, when you look at the resources we have, we had 65 employees there. i walked into stewart-haas the first day, 385 employees. >> in irony, the 43, bubba wallace comes in second. he's joining us here. it still comes back all around. viewers, race fans want to know after the rough crash at kansas, you've worked your way back. you said at daytona the recover

know, i think when you look back at the sport over the years, when guys like rick hendrick and roger penskeort, it changed the playing field of the entire sport. and you went from having family-run businesses to billionaire's playgrounds and so -- >> well put. >> -- talk about jeff gordon. >> so i think really when you look at it, these guys, rick hendrick, roger penske, gene haas, joe gibbs racing, they race purely for fun. this is an ego thing and they're going to spend the money it takes to have fast race cars. and it was run more like a business at rpm and i enjoyed my six years there. it was an opportunity that i'll forever be thankful for. and it got me to where i'm at today, but, you know, when you look at the resources we have, we had 65 employees there. i walked into stewart-haas the first day, 385 employees. >> in irony, the 43, bubba wallace comes in second. he's joining us here. it still comes back all around. viewers, race fans want to know after the rough crash at kansas, you've worked your way back. you said at daytona the recovery program put you in such conditioning that yo