you see roger stone, i don't know what mitt's message is sometimes. i know what he intends it to be. but he is not getting it out and talking to the middle class. >> the real problem with the mitt romney campaign is mitt romney. he is inauthentic. he comes across as a guy that will say and be anything you need him to be. he is not a conservative. never has been. he talks about reagan but he didn't support him for president in '80 or '84 in the general election. just like his father -- >> those that say reagan was behind and pulled ahead, he was likable. voters have to like the candidate they vote for at a certain level. the problem with mitt romney is he no people think you don't feel he shares yourry sentiments, hopes, desire, aspirations. he comes across as a guy that is mouthing the word and doesn't believe them. >> that's the challenge. if you look at some verbatim responsings to the polls, the challenge is can the relate to my challenges and life? look at the data. people are asked is this somebody that cares about people like you and overwhelmin

i talked to roger stone the who's a prominent republican strategist and he said look karl rove is not a real conservative this is crony capitalism it's about getting money and giving rewards to those who put in the money and winning winning winning and if you look at the big campaign donors road put to get started putting together in the one nine hundred eighty s. a lot of them are still with him there bob perry in texas who's a billionaire no relation to rick perry harold simmons and so forth and they were among the founding donors of american crossroads today it's a remarkable story craig unger thank you so much for being with us tonight and for writing as a brilliant book i've read much of it basra i highly recommend it thank you sir thank you for having me to see this and other conversation of the great lines go to our website at conversations with great minds dot com. the story of their romney is a story of two americas one they got bailed out we can aspire to the highest levels of power and the other they got sold out and forced into bankruptcy desperation and suicide since he c

stone walling by the white house to devert and deny. it was terrorism and it was planned. we had the comment and the house congre congressman rogers talk about this. there is a narrative that is out of touch with reality. this was a terrorist act and it was preplanned. just by happenstance it was on september 11th that these things happened? >> we had homeland security peeppeep peter king on the show. it is a falsehood. are you suggesting that president obama is also perpetrating the falsehood? >> i don't know what it is. the president obama strategy throughout the middle esast is mess. we have iran on the verge of a nuclear breakout. we have 25,000 people killed in syria and 20 embassies surrounded four of which were breached and a black al qaeda flag raised. >> i'm sorry we are out of time because of this. let me ask you this, do you think that president obama's speech today was tough enough. did he spend the right signals? is. >> no. >> no, he never used the word terrorism. he talked about iran and the peace process the same way he did in 2009. it is a band-aid to get beyond the next days. he should be meeting to advance our in