stone could relate to nixon's resilien resilience. >> roger was the youngest person called before the watergate grand jury. he was all of 19 at the time. he was a young dirty trickster. later, stone became regional political director for then governor ronald reagan's 1980 presidential bid. by then, stone had formed a lobbying group with trump's future campaign manager, paul, called black, maniford, and stone. by 86, he was run out of d.c. and politics. they exposed by the "national inquirer" as swingers and frequented visitors to sex clubs. >> the swinger scandal that the national inguyer exposed forced rogers into the shadows, operated from the fringes, particularly as the republican party moved further to the evangelical right. he was no longer paletteble as a consulta consultant. >> in 1999, he weighed with donald trump. in 2000, he helped george w. bush take the white house by sending protesters to florida to shut down the recount. always looking to live up to his reputation as a dirty trickster, stone takes credit for bringing down the new york governor. stone was later accused o

was. >> roger stone was.ops this relationship with nixon is after nixon has been thrown out of the presidency. what type of person gravitates to the post-disgraced nixon? that's really an amazing thing. nixon and roy cohn, two of the most infamous people in american politics are roger's mentors. >> talk about roy cohn. >> he's in many ways what roger stone has been aprioring to be. he was responsible in many ways for the red scare in the mccarthy hearings back in the day. one thing we learned from roger, like roy cohn and roger has done, there's actually a great history and series of protege/master relationships going all the way back. you mentioned kninix on, they w pulling things that worked before. it was a matter of modernizing it which we've seen what modernizing means which is twitter. >> one of them was demonstrated during the election where roger stone seemed to have this amazing ability to predict bad things. he tweets in august, trust me, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel. wednesday, hill

advisor said the moment he knew trump was going to run he calls him up on new year's day, 2013, roger stone calls trump to say hi and happy new year and trump says i went and trademarked the phrase make america great again. stone said he knew at that phone that trump was really going to go ahead. i cover the next three or four months in the book and you can see over the course of those few months trump morphing from a guy talking about birtherrism to a guy who is thebp!Ñt rightfully belong to them. these immigrants were displacing them in american culture that political leaders were more intent on caudalling the own sittances. bannon understood this and trump did to the power that could have as a political issue. beginning in the spring of 2013 that's when trump flipped the switch and turned it on. >> rose: i didn't cover the campaign but most of us during the campaign when man innovator was out and began to understand who was coming in, we were surprised by steve bannon. most politicals were surprised where they put him in the top of the campaign. but you're saying he was always there. >>

roger stone is there defending mr. trump on the russia investigation. >> on russian collusion or involvement, where is the underlying crime? what is the crime that mr. mueller is investigating? we still don't have evidence of a crime. we have allegations, watergate started with a crime, the break in into the watergate complex at the democratic national committee and it went, as you may remember, downhill from there. >>> meanwhile this morning republicans are hopeful the appointment of kelly will bring stability to the white house after an event-filled week. >> reporter: the change over takes effect tomorrow. the highest level shakeup in the white house here so far. it's a six-month restart intended to make the president's staff and team more cooperative and effective after so much drama. >> reporter: under new management. the builder president is remodelling his senior team installing a new chief of staff monday. his choice was given rave reviews. >> truly one of our stars. john kelly is one of our great stars. >> john

. >> you saw that roger stone host show. >> roger stone hosted a series on the russian propaganda network>> do believe that we need roger stone -- that he did not host a show? that he didn't host a show. >> you can go after any details you want but i don't see why it would be your interest and support an autocratic authoritarian government which is jailing journalist and fighting freedom. >> i think we should tell the people the truth. when max joins us in studio. i love that exchange because it similar to so many i've had on the show or if you call into question the facts being asserted you are immediately accused of being a handmaiden to vladimir putin. let me ask in the broadest question you are not a trump support up, a lifelong man of the left and yet you don't think that this russia story is helpful to the left or makes sense, why? >> with a talk about the issue of efficacy in addition to the fact that i haven't seen any concrete evidence and rachel maddow's dots may never connect. someone on the left was actually gone out and protested trump, i didn't expect the hysteria to complet

of course, that last night scrapping this testimony that was expected later this month for roger stoneat former trump adviser, making it very clear, adam schiff did just there, they still do plan to talk to roger stone, and also signaling they're in communications with the special counsel's office, not saying whether or not the special counsel in any way waived them off in interviews roger stone or gave information about that trump tower meeting. so a lot of questions for this committee as it tries to probe and learn more about this meeting. looks like it's not going away anytime soon, jim. >> manu raju on the hill. thank you. and bring in shimonprokupecz, and from new york, retired fbi adversaries james aliano. and shimon a russian lawyer came from russia, actually u.s. citizenship. dual citizenship. were be subpoenaed? absolutely. nothing stopping the committee from subpoenaing him. requesting to talk to him to investigate him. which properly, at this point, will happen. the other thing interesting to see if the fbi will try to talk to him. >> not what's key about that, it's a non-tr

roger stone, gusafer feeding information to wikileaks who then was being amplified by roger stone who was also on the campaign. all these things point to some level of cooperation and collusion. how far it goes? this is why we have special counsel now. >>> stand by. we have lots of questions on this, more about the russian investigation. we'll be back in a few moments. here ya go. awesome, thank you. thank you. that's... not your car. your car's ready! wrong car... this is not your car? i would love to take it, but no. oh, i'm so sorry about that. you guys wanna check it out? it's someone else's car... this is beautiful. what is this? it's the all-new chevy equinox. this feels like a luxury suv. i love this little 360, how do they even do that? i made a bad decision on my last car purchase. well, your car's here. bummer... bummer. wah-wah. i'm ready for an upgrade. (laughter) jack knocked over a candlestick, onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all h

i asked adam schiff about that, and he said roger stone is still a person of interest to us.y clear what's also interesting to them is this trump tower meeting. they want to talk to everybody who was involved in that meeting, including this lobbyist now at the center of this investigation. >> manu raju reporting. thank you. we also know the senate intelligence committee wants to talk to the different plards in the meeting at trump tower. thank you more that latest reporting. >>> more breaking news on a gruesome discovery at the bottom of a 12-foot grave. two suspects have now been charged after the disappearances of four young men. hear about a confession and the reported accomplice. ustomer] had into the paint store feeling like you should really know more than you know? satin versus semi-gloss, and...i don't know! [team member] yes...i know the feeling. [customer] that's how i feel right now about all the financing options for this project i'm doing. i feel like i should know more than i know. [team member] don't sweat it. we have this new tool--my credit options guide-- th

. >> and why was roger stone's testimony delayed? he's a colorful figure. i would think you would want to talk to him. >> i think we should talk to roger stone. but then again, there are lots of people i think we should talk to and several of them are already scheduled to be spoken with. >> but why was it delayed? do we know why it was delayed -- >> i do not know why it was delayed. >> and what is your sense now that the leadership there on the committee has changed? do you feel there was that whole controversy with devin nunes earlier in the year? do you feel this investigation is proceeding the way you would like it to be proceeding, or are there still some hurdles and problems and partisan wrangling that is going on behind the scenes? what's your sense of that? >> well, of course there is. i think we're largely back on track and we're making progress. and i like to keep it in context. there is our university underway and, again, we have issued requests for documents. we have begun these interviews and there are lots yet to come. the senate has done the s

trump called up roger stone and asked him, how do we put these out without having us tainted by them. >> you say guaranteed, but you don't have direct evidence. >> i don't have direct evidence, but my common sense and connecting the dots here, why would roger stone be talking to julian as sauj and the russian hacker. he wasn't just making calls to enhance his christmas card list. there was a reason he did that. if you look at the time line, 14 days, actually a week later, gusofe has the documents on his private website. what happens on july 22nd or 23rd, wikileaks publishes the first cache of documents that they came up with. >> right. >> and the only person from the trump campaign who had contact with both sides was roger stone. >> michael, there is a time line there, and there is public circumstantial evidence which doesn't end the story. had you read this e-mail that jared kushner said he didn't read, would you have attended that meeting with opponents posing dirt on your opponent? >> neither existed inside the trump campaign, so i can see how this would happen. but also, the narra

one supporter in particular, the long-time conspiracy theorist, roger stone hinted he had advanced knowledgereleases, raising question fraz the first time of possible collusion. >> i have communicated. i believe the documents pertain to the clinton foundation but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> in october roger stone once again steamed to signal advanced knowledge of wikileaks plans tweeting quote wednesday, hillary clinton is done. #wikileaks. >> there seems to be some contact between forces closely associate would the trump campaign and wikileaks. it certainly seemed like an interesting coincidence. >> later he denied speaking with assange directly or colluding with the russians. and vladimir putin laughed at the idea of russian involvement in an issue of the bloomberg news. >> no, i don't know anything about that. >> i did have a very visceral feeling in the pit of my stomach that i thought this was a really serious thing. an assault on the very heart of our democracy and that's one of the reasons i felt so strongly about putting out the statement we did in october

roger stone calls trump to say happy new year. tells him, i just went and trademarks the phrase "make america great again." he knew at that moment that trump was going to go ahead. i covered what unfolded over the next few months. you can see over the course of those few months, trump morphing from a guy talking about birtherism to a guy that is the full-fledged anti-immigrant zealot that we soon came to know. anti-trade, anti-immigrant. it's about the time he came up with the border wall. his staff came up with the border wall. charlie: the question, why should we be protecting people? it was self-interest first. the peoplelaying on he was trying to win. they were resentful of the establishment. yes, of the establishment. the immigrants that were coming in and they thought giving benefits that rightly belonged to them, they were displacing .hem they were intent on coddling foreigners more than they were their own citizens. the understand the power it could have. that's when trump flipped the switch and turned it on. ♪ charlie: mo

to see if you agree with roger stone. what do you think about roger stone's comments?aller: i'm not so sure i agree with what he is saying. how is one person running for an election against a party machine take over the party? how does one person do that? is it the same story as what happened to bernie, that hillary took over his campaign? think -- i don't understand how that really happened. call.thanks for the did you want to finish a comment? caller: i think these parties are machines unto themselves. certainly the republican party did not want trump to win, just like the democratic party did right?t or need to win, i am not so sure i agree. host: pennsylvania, good morning. is one ofe president the most powerful officers in the world. as far as president trump's staff supporting him or not, i think the thing should speak for itself. the president of the united , whys has so much power would she -- why would we be so concerned about public opinion echoed host: -- opinion? host: usa today has a new poll out today. ,resident trump's impeachment the topic that they pul

we also know at around this same time roger stone, who is trump's political operative on dirty tricksking to gus i fer because he admits that in statements to people in august. we also know that the first time these really fit the fan, so to speak, is on june -- i think it's june 23rd, just before the start of the democratic convention when all of a sudden wikileaks releases a whole trove of these documents that were hacked out of the clinton campaign. now, to me, as a prosecutor, i'd be asking myself, well, roger stone, who knows how to do politics, suddenly is talking to gus i fer. then use talking to julian as sang from wikileaks. ends that the wikileaks is going to make a bigger splash than just putting them out there on a website. >> yeah. >> and we clearly know that gus i fer is a russian hacker based on what we've heard from the american intelligence agencies. >> hold it right there. i want to get ron in this. he's presenting the case that he would lay out. there's some hard ed and there's also evidence that don junior was open to information from the russian government. but th

roger stone. >> right. >> this is the same roger stone who a couple months later admitted that prior to that time he was having conversationes with both ends of the group hacking mr. podesta's e-mail. >> individual named gucifer who many believe -- >> a russian. >> right, russian intelligence. >> and julian assange. he was able to predict when things would happen here. we have a real web of collusion that has to be followed up. e-mailes have to be subpoenaed. people have to look at computers. you have to look at ip addresses. determine where things went. when they went. when they came in. there is going to be a very boring investigation but you need lots and lots of documents. >> so here is what i -- you and i have talked for a while and you had a -- you had a specific experience working with russian counter intelligence and trying to suss out someone trying to recute you and you yourself was a double agent. it just seems unlikely to you, from what you know about how russian intelligence operated, to lay your cards on the table and say, hey, let's work together. what is the new infor

once they say this is a great idea, the question is was this contact passed to somebody else like roger stone, carter page, any of these other people that met with the russians. but this is a classic kgb recruitment, you know. keep it plausible deniability, soft pitch, and see what happens. and if it's accepted, then hit it some place else and establish that. but what really disturbs me is part of th-- >> part of that to see -- i'm not saying that's what happened in this. but in the soft pitch, is part of to it see whether the target then reports it? and if they don't loreport it,d it, that tells them something? >> if a russian approached me while i was in the cia, the standard answer is i'm going to report this to my bosses. it's going the fbi. you walk away. they clearly didn't. they were very receptive to working with the russians. and for the russians, that was a green light to keep going at this. and the question is we don't know what contacts occurred afterwards. but again, to go back to jared, the fact that later on in december he proposes setting up channel through russian communicati

let's begin with the two former trump advisors being called to testify, michael caputo and roger stonehow potentially detrimental could their testimony, either one of them, be to the trump presidency? >> well, they're sort of a package deal in a sense. i think caputo is there in some respects because of his alliance, allegiance to stone. stone is more interesting because of his prediction, and some say forewarned of this, prediction that podesta's e-mails had been leaked, had been hacked and were going to be leaked and that hillary clinton's speeches, her paid speeches she was keeping confidential were also hacked and were going to be leaked. they wanted to know from stone were you in touch with julian assange, were you in touch with the russian military e-mail server that they had set up for communications? and if so, why were you doing that? and what role did you play in getting this information out into the domain? i think caputo is sort of ancillary to that principally. >> so those potential answers could speak to intent, wittingly, unwittingly? >> well, yes. i mean, it could be th

and on to julian assange and roger stone? i mean it seems a little early to -- >> there is a lot of dots here that aren't connected. the problem is this is not anybody's problem but the trump administration's. the story continues to change. first there's nothing and then there's denials. then there's something. and then there's something more. i think we're going to see that. we're going to find out about more meetings and we're going to find out about more revelations related to those meetings. >> jason miller, robby mook, thank you both. appreciate it. >>> coming up next, to congressman swalwell's earlier point, just how normal or abnormal was the trump jr. meeting. was it merely hard ball all campaigns play or something out of the ordinary. we'll hear from three attorneys with three different views next. >>> also later, senate republicans getting ready for another try at replacing obamacare. the question is can they actually overcome republican opposition to it. (upbeat dance music) (bell ringing) about to see progressive'

, carter page, his foreign policy advisor, donald trump, his son, his son-in-law jared kushner, roger stone, his advisor -- why were all of the president's men meeting with russian spies during the same time they were attacking our democracy? >> i'm guessing your double use of that phrase, all of the president's men, was not accidental. so much more we could talk about. congressman jeffries, george wim. thank you both. >> thank you. >> all is leading to reports of white house chaos. according to the associated press, the president has been enraged in recent days, obsessed with the media coverage of his son's meeting with the russian lawyer. trump writing on twitter that the white house is functioning perfectly and i have little time for watching tv. joining me white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan la mere who wrote that story. what are you hearing? how bad is it? >> this has become a depressingly familiar ritual for senior west wing aides. they feel they string together a few good news cycles -- >> they thought the g20 was good for them. >> they felt he held his ground, th

i never heard it discussed by other people, i can imagine that roger stone or paul manafort did. i've known them for 30 years. i'm a bit surprised to find out about donald trump, jr.,'s emails and i think that it's important for the investigators to get to the bottom of this. >> martha: michael caputo. >> michael: we want the people to understand there's nothing to it. >> martha: thank you very much, good to see you tonight, thanks for coming in. founder of the rorschach university's institute of politics and public service, both are fox news contributors. he could to have you here. let me start with you, you listen to mr. caputo and am curious to ask you how credible you think he is. you go through the fact that carter and roger stone and all these people who were the initial names that the investigators were so fired up about, now they don't even really need to talk to, they are saying. they are moving on down the chain. how strong is the case that there's anything there beyond what we know so far, which is the latest news from last week? >> look, i don't know how strong the ca

. >> reporter: he's a protege of roger stone, whose appearance before the house committee later this month was postponed so members have more time to prepare. for his part, stone says he's had no contact with russian officials but he told our jeff pegues he was in touch with russian hacker guccfier 2.0 and wikileaks during the campaign. one of the his tweets last year suggests he may have known the campaign may have been posting john podesta's e-mails. also the trump campaign's digital director said he will speak with investigators. he said he's unaware of russian involvement and will share with the committee everything i know. president trump's long-time attorney michael cohen is also scheduled to appear before the committee in september. both the house and the senate are still in the early stages of their investigations, which will eventually move up the ladder to the president's inner circle, anti-any. >> mason: thanks. adam schiff calls the latest lat revelations deeply disturbing but president's supporters are standing by him. here's dean reynolds. >> at the vigo county fair in

trump's longest advisors, roger stone, whose appearance before the house committee later this month wasostponed so members have more time to prepare. for his part, stone says he's had no contact with russian officials, but he told our jeff pegues he was in touch with russian hacker guccfier 2.0 and with wikileaks during the campaign. one of the his tweets last year suggested he may have known the site may have been posting john podesta's hacked e-mails. also today, brad parscale, the trump campaign's digital director said he will speak with investigators. ia said he's unaware of any russian involvement and will share with the committee everything i know. president trump's long-time attorney michael cohen is also theduled to appear before the committee in september. both the house and the senate are still in the early stages of their investigations, which will eventually move up the ladder to the president's inner circle, anthony. >> mason: julianna, thanks. the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, calls the latest revelations deeply disturbing but president's s

well to discuss that i'm now joined by president transform advisor and he's passionate advocate roger stone is just on it's great to have you on the show thank you very much for your time thank you so much for having me here now mr stone you've long denied having any contacts but the russians but now you are on the must go based network is that not enough to accuse you of subversion if not treason well sadly enough in washington that may be true on the other hand who would ever of thought that russian television would be less censored than american television. in my previous experiences with r.t. i've been allowed to discuss any subject whatsoever without censorship that's not true of c.n.n. or c.b.s. or a.b.c. or the other major networks in the united states so i'm delighted to have this free exchange in completely uncensored dialogue well mr stone you know that russia has its own cold war hang ups and there is some degree of anti-american sentiment in this country there is also a history of american interference in our political process but i still cannot imagine something of this same sc

i remember watching that roger stone movie "get me roger stone" that incredible documentary and it talks about donald trump's orientation and affinity for people like roy cohn who's kind of a mentor for him. for those who don't remember, he was senator joe mccarthy's red baiting consigliere, he sent the ros rosenbergs to the electric chair for spying. and roger stone was involved with guccifer who says he was in communication with this hacker, he seems to see donald trump as rerunning the nixon play book but with a better nixon in his view. do you see around donald trump anyone in that orbit who would say "you know what, mr. president, this is a terrible idea and it's unconstitutional." >> i don't and i want to call attention to anthony scaramucci when he said "cutout." "i would have a cutout go take that meeting for me." the use of that word shows this is a person who is used to trying to get around laws. i would have an emissary take the meeting, i would have my assistant take the meeting but to say cutout means we're trying to hide what we're doing here but i would hide it and stupid

but to discuss that i'm now an joined by president transform advisor and his passionate advocate roger stone is just on it's great to have you on the show thank you very much for your time thank you so much for having me here now mr stone you've long denied having any contacts with the russians but now you are on the most good based network is that not enough to accuse you of subversion if not treason well sadly enough in washington that may be true on the other hand who would ever of thought that russian television would be less censored than american television and my previous experiences with r.t. i've been allowed to discuss any subject whatsoever without censorship that's not true of c.n.n. or c.b.s. or a.b.c. or the other major networks in the united states so i'm delighted to have this free exchange in completely uncensored dialogue well mr stone you know that russia has its own cold war hangouts and there is some degree of anti-american sentiment in this country there is also a history of american interference in our political process but i still cannot imagine something of this same

ever thought i would work on sputnik ever and i'm the guy who got raja literally i'm going to get roger stone involved in the story last september because i looked at it and i said. ok so let's let's say you're russian intelligence and for you know if you're the mainstream media you probably are. so let's say russian intelligence would you set up a wordpress site i'm just saying it defies logic you know and i communicated with super two i exchanged messages it didn't make any sense to me that the russian intelligence services would set up wordpress site and tweet and by the way flirt with the ladies if you look at some of the d.m. he's flirtatious or i'm cheap i don't know what goes for terrorism could be a group of you know what you know it's you you know me and you have very different political ideologies you know i disagree with a lot of trump's policies and but yeah but at the same time i see this move against russia again having nothing to do with the fact that i have agreed a black label in the corner of the screen as i'm talking right now i'm a still an american citizen i have politica

he was a protege of roger stone. he worked for years as a political consultant in russia and working for russian politicians and major russian companies with ties to the kreml kremlin. and for donald trump jr. meeting with a russian woman, that took place 11 days before caputo was fired. he was still a communications aide at the time. he said he never heard about the meeting or russian lawyer before, during or after it took place. he learned about, he says, just this past week. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. >> drew, thank you. let's get analysis from the professor of international politics at city university in london. live in the london bureau this hour. it is good to have you with us. donald trump jr. said there was nothing more to this. you heard that in the piece that ran previously. the drip, drip, drip continues. we know there were more people in the room. more than previously disclosed. how big of a problem is this for the white house? >> this seems to be this is the first hard evidence that has come about with

i talked to roger stone in the book. he said trump really wanted to run for president in 2012. of engaging with opponents is to emasculate them and belittle them. the birther campaign was his attempt to try to shrink and diminish president obama in expectation that he would run. i have a theme in the book were compass of dust trump is simulated by president obama and senate live -- which strengthened trump's resolved to run for president. it would now go back to that instead, he came back stronger four years later, talking about , an idea he got from steve bannon. he actually runs and he takes nationalismmigrant that steve bannon exposes and that is the vehicle that carried him to the white house. david: first, it was sarah palin, then michele bachmann and he lands with donald trump in the end. -- you look at how donald trump's governing today. how much of his policy platform can be tied back to what steve bannon wants? josh: that's a great question. trump was not an empty vessel. he was half or three quarters filled with bannon's politics, there's a lot they agree on. bannon i

how it actually occurred, if direct collusion o occurred, whether it was roger stone, a trump adviser or carter page, we don't know at this point. again, it was a clear signal to the russians, the trumps were looking for help. >> bob, this isn't necessarily russian government official here. this is a lawyer. a woman who is a russian lawyer. she intercepts with the russian government f. she's a private citizen, you thu all this is true? >> the russians are smart. kgb is smart. they wouldn't send a kjb officer to a diplomat. they use proxies. nonofficial cia they call it. it's difficult to get intelligence on them, so they have plausible deniability. for kjb to go into this operation is plausible deniability. >> the way they describe her is a formidable operator with a history of pushing the kremlin's agenda. michael zeldin, looking forward, we want to get you on other report thag reporting that is break thag the hill has. the seven metrodomos that jamesy took after his meetings with president trump before he was fired as fbi director. four of them had markings that contained secret or

interview several major witnesses later this month, including former trump advisers michael caputo and roger stoneaight ahead, senator bernie sanders says the investigation into his wife's land deal is, his words, pathetic. more of what he told cnn this morning, straight ahead. that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ♪ >>> hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield in new york. senator bernie sanders, defending his wife amid an onwere going fbi investigation telling jake tapper on "state of the union" he plames partisan politics for the probe into her dealings with president of burlington college. >> i want to ask you about the fbi looking into burlington college and a land deal and financing around it from the time when your wife jane sanders was president of the college. you and your wife recently obtained lawyers. did you or anyone on the staff reach out to the bank related to any loans related to this transaction? >> absolutely, of course, not. and, in fact, let's be

there is roger stone and so many people in his orbit that now look quite interesting when you start dialing it back. >> we found video from moscow in 2013, and the soundbite is coming in just a moment, but what about their relationship, and why would president putin use them? >> the russians are smart about how they do this. they don't -- they want to have a cutout or intermediaries, so if people start looking at the nature of the connection, it doesn't go straight back to putin's front door. he is not smoozing at parties, but he might have a billionaire real estate developer, who say the donald trump of moscow, that can entertain someone like him, throw a good party, introduce him to people. it makes perfect since that that would be the way that the kremlin would try to get to know -- >> we are having ms. universe. it's a big deal, a sellout, my billionaire friends from russia will be there. right smack in the middle of moscow. they are great people with great entrepreneurial spirit, i have fantastic friends. >> do they pick your brain? >> they read my books. >> is it now referred to as a

he was a protege of roger stone.contracts in ukraine and even his first wife was a russian woman. he was about as much a russian insider as an american could be. >> i was paid by the united states government. i stayed an additional five and a half, six years running my own company. i've been involved in the former soviet union and i'm not going to stop now. >> reporter: he was hired by gazprom to improve the immedime company's attention. jackie spear brought up the name in a congressional hearing. >> let's move onto someone else in that web. his name is michael caputo. what reason is there for the trump campaign to hire putin's image consultant? any thoughts on that? >> no thoughts. >> you worked to improve putin's image? >> that's false. that's jackie spear relying upon her interns for too much information. i worked for gazprom media. i didn't work on putin's image. i was trying to help gazprom explain why they took over a television network. if that is down the line helped the kremlin, that wasn't what i was hired

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roger stone, carter page. stone warned about the podesta being released. why don't they disclose these meetings and how many more meetings haven't been disclosed? it's drip, drip, drip. mib they're innocent of collusion but this is a political problem for them. >> you have a fascinating article. david kept using the word collusion. after that story in "the wall street journal" appeared, the story from white house allies started to appear. even if there was collusion, maybe small c, or there were discussions between russians and people associated with the campaign, it's not illegal. explain to me the shifting argument and where that sits legally. >> yeah. so we've seen this shift over the past few weeks of high-profile surrogates and media changing the story from there's no evidence to collus oichlt. n to collusion is not illegal. it's a term of art in the law and really only applies in the context of anti-trust violations. we're not accusing -- nobody is accusing the trump campaign of price fixing or that kind of activity. people are using the term collusi

i talked to roger stone in the book, one of roger's longtime advisers.said trump really wanted a run for president in 2012 and as we now know, his way of engaging with opponents is to emasculate and belittle them. the birther campaign was his attempt to shrink and diminish president obama in expectation that he would run. book where in the trump was humiliated in the white house correspondents in 2011 by president obama himself and saturday night live. seth meyers. which i think strengthened trump's resolve to run for president isabel everybody, and i include myself, thought what really happened is trump led in early dispatch from politics and humiliated from his birther crusade. instead, he came back stronger four years later talking about immigration and the power of illegal immigration, an idea he got steve bannon. he goes through and he actually runs and he takes the anti-immigrant populist nationalism that bannon espouses. that was the vehicle that carried him to the white house. >> you portray steve bannon as someone -- first sarah palin, and then

roger stone. i think this is one big map of power. coming up, the former director, james clapper will be here on trump's meeting with putin. in fact, the meeting with the russians also. and whether the trumps are making russia great again. it sounds like that's what trump has been doing. plus, growing unthe ref mock some republicans about president trump. but coming to real pies trump may claimfully victory he can for himself. blame the rest on them. today trump even threatened a fellow republican over health care asking whether he wants to remain a senator. that's a threat. and what is really going on? that's a story. the russian investigation and health care failures are sharpening the battle lines. we have a new report about the pressure that the trump family itself is feeling. friends say that donald junior just wants these four years to be over. he's miserable. finally, you won't like it, this is "hardball." this is where the action is. dear son, i know you worry i can't keep up with our weekly tee times. but i've been taking ost

this is the first time you have a meeting not just with a carter page or roger stone, someone in the orbit of trump world, but the president's son, himself, in trump tower and a meeting where, explicitly and there is electronic proof of this in e-mail, it was to get damaging information about hillary clinton and it was known in that e-mail, this is part of a russian government effort. this adds enormous substance to, what to this point, we have had, people will say a lot of smoke is fire. a lot of meetings with questions about what happened and why they happened. now you know one meeting with a very -- you know, someone extremely close to the president, you know why that meeting happened. that is certainly under the umbrella of collusion, whether it is a legal, meets the legal definition or the political definition is certainly under that umbrella. this is important under this investigation. >> we are talking whether or not this shifted the view of the russian investigation on capitol hill. we have heard very recently from two senators, we are chasing them down. if i heard directly,

it's also worth noting what roger stone conveniently left out is that the president requested to see mueller. he wasn't looking for the job. but when the president of the united states says, please come in, i'd like to meet with you, you typically go. i don't think roger gave the full explanation. but as far as the investigation goes, if he does get robert mueller fired and replaces sessions, it's not going to end the investigation. the senate will continue it. the house, i don't -- i can't say with as much certainty, but certainly the senate will continue. >> yeah. chris, former clinton campaign chairman john podesta is saying the relationship between the white house and the justice department, that it just -- it needs to be at the very top of the general's list of priorities. take a look at that. >> i think he's got to protect the justice department and he's got to protect bob mueller and the investigation that's going on there from the continued assault by the president and by the white house. it's going to be his job to provide a bull work against interference by the white house

> house intelligence committee announced last week abruptly it was canceling this testimony for roger stone. this is the second trump associate whose testimony has been canceled. j.b. gordon before. speaks to the slow nature of this investigation on the house side. senate side republican leading that investigation, mike connelly, said he's growing increasingly frustrated by the slow pace of this investigation. adam schiff told me it's global in scope and could take a while to get through everything there. this comes as this panel is still facing a lot of partisan strife internally about the witnesses they're interviewing. it was supposed to sort of go away with devon nunes stepped away from the investigation. partisan disagreements about the investigation still remain. >> in some ways, no surprise about that. that's it for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. john king will be back in the anchor chair tomorrow at noon eastern. up next "state of the union with jake tapper." it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i