roger stone thinks like donald trump. roger stone has always told lies with ease and confidence. so he is rarely worth listening to. but tonight "the washington post" has decided to give roger stone the last word in its breaking news report that special prosecutor robert mueller is, quote, seeking to question president trump in the coming weeks about his decisions to oust national security adviser michael flynn and fbi director james b. comey, according to two people familiar with his plans. the post goes on the report that the trump legal team is negotiating the terms for the president's interview with the special prosecutor's team. roger stone thinks that is sheer madness. "the washington post" ends its report tonight with this. roger stone, a long-time informal adviser to president trump said he should try to avoid an interview at all costs, saying agreeing to such a session would be a suicide mission. i find it to be a death wish. why would you walk into a perjury trap, stone said? the president would be very poorly advised to give mueller an interview. end of story. of cours

he's got this on again, off again relationship with people like roger stone over the years. i'm sure bannon kind of feels the same way. if he's useful to trump, he'll be back at some point and vice versa. >> yeah, the weird drama between roger ailes, rupert murdoch and donald trump between all of this is just bizarre. >> spectacular. >> i want to get to this question of people's self-interests. david, you have two narratives going on. one, literally no one, including donald trump and his wife, melania, expected him to win or even necessarily wanted to win. they thought they would win by losing and they would set up media empires of their own. at the same time, you've got two distinct people who were described as themselves thinking they are presidential material. let's start with steve bannon. bannon was telling people that he was going to run for president in 2020. if i was president was turning into when i am president. ivanka, who was described as an incompetent in the book and going on vacation whenever things get tough is described this way. jared and ivanka had made aer

roger stone: try to impeach him. just try it.ou will have a spasm of violence in this country, an insurrection like you have never seen. reporter: you think? roger stone: no question. reporter: you think if he got impeached, like the country would go to? roger stone: both sides are heavily armed, my friend. yes, absolutely. this is not 1974. the people will not stand for impeachment. a politician who votes for it would be endangering their own life. there will be violence on both sides. let me make this clear. i am not advocating violence, but i am predicting it. amy: that's roger stone speaking to tmz. he says there would be a violent response. john bonifaz? john bonifaz: it?s an outrageous statement, but it also highlights that we cannot allow fear to dictate our response to this lawless president. we cannot say that we are going to stay on the sidelines here while the constitution is being shredded, because of that kind of claim that roger stone or anyone else might make. amy goodman: so, explain how impeachment would work. wh

but trump's longtime confidant and former advisor roger stone says is it a try.ns us from fort lauderdale to explain. roger, i bet you love tearing the president just ripped today about no problem, i will come and have a cup of coffee, unload my burden. how could this possibly be a trap, mueller wants the best for the president. >> it's understandable why the president's is confident. he knows he's done nothing wrong. a first year law student would tell you that this is an obvious perjury trap that robert mueller is taking advantage of the president's loquacious nurse, never a man who suffers from a paucity of words. what is absolutely clear is that mr. mueller has no evidence of russian collusion, so now we are all the way cycled back around to the dismissal of mr. comey. he seeks to entrap the president in some kind of process crime, perjury, or obstruction. therefore, the best advice that i could give the president, and i agree with judge andrew napolitano on this is that under no circumstances should he grant mr. mueller an interview. it is a suicide mission.

that's what roger stone says. he's been advising trump for 20 years.don't go anywhere near a hearing room. this is "hardball" where the action is. ♪ jen, i've got questions. boots or flip-flops? boot! great. smokey or natural eye? ugh, natural. good choice. how about calling or texting? definitely calling. puppies or kitties? sorry, cats. dry eyes or artificial tears? wait, that's a trick question. because they can both get in your way. that's why it is super-important to chat with your eye doctor if you're using artificial tears a lot and your eyes still feel dry. next question. guys, it's time for some eyelove! >>> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of. >> 100%. >> so if robert mueller wanted to speak with you about that? >> i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you, jim. >> that was, of course, our president this summer saying he would be 100% ready to talk to special counsel robert mueller under oath. months later his allies warn by opening himself up to questioning, the president could be walking into a "p

look at corey lewandowski, look at roger stone. they've all said terrible things about one another. however, to suggest that this isn't a severe, severe breach between steve bannon and president trump would be fantasy land. this is bad. >> did you -- >> and steve's political capital is on the line if it -- if any really is left at this point. >> do you have a sense, jeremy, of where the line was crossed? was it going after don jr.? was it hitting the family? or is it enough just to hit the president hard? >> it was the family. and that's what bannon is attempting to clarify in this statement. he is saying, look, i didn't go after don jr. i didn't intend to go after don jr., i intended to say that paul manafort was the one who should have known better. and that, you know, i don't know if that's going to fix things. it certainly is an attempt to peel back a layer into what bannon was thinking when he made these comments. but it's -- i just don't know at this point whether it's going to be enough. it was curious to me, alex, to see today on the morning shows stephen miller, a one-time

and he's practicing roy cohn, roger stone innuendo. >> where's that coming from? assume the internet. i am not the progenitor of that, meaning i don't first bring it. i don't bring the phenomena to his attention. but trump understands among republicans, there's a very substantial majority who have questions about obama's origins and how he just pops up out of nowhere to become a national figure and whether he was in fact eligible to serve as president. >> another political story making news this morning: donald trump's growing poll numbers on a list of possible presidential... >> narrator: as the birther issue raised his polls numbers, trump arrived in new hampshire for what looked like the beginning of a presidential campaign. >> as promised, donald trump speaking now in portsmouth, new hampshire. let's listen. >> you ready? you get ready. whenever you're ready, i'm okay. >> narrator: trump's speech was carried live on national television. but president obama had a surprise for trump. >> if you put a tax on chinese products... >> okay, we're going to leave new ha

right after that meeting roger stone goes out, dealing with guccifer 2.0, publishes stolen e-mails. those don't gain traction, roger stone dealing with wikileaks who then publishes a slew of e-mails just before the democratic convention and just at the time the video tape comes out with trump on the bus. >> everything you're referring to is called evidence. that's the difference not only on russia but unusually active first year with travel ban, ethics suits. what you see is a president out of the courtroom, really stretched and broken -- talk about breaking internet good you get enough likes -- broken some of what the press does. good you're political operative, that's a win. facts don't matter. if you care about the country, facts, the republic, might bother you. doesn't work as well in the courtroom, rules of evidence. >> absolutely. relates to the conversation we were having about the russia investigation. donald trump comes into washington, doesn't understand the law, really seem to care about it very much and makes a lot of public statements for instance on the travel ban, sai

we also have right after that meeting roger stone goes out.e's dealing with gucifer 2.0, who publishes those stolen e-mails. then when these don't gain traction you have roger stone dealing with wikileaks, who then publishes a whole slew of those e-mails just before the democratic convention and just at the time that that videotape comes out with trump on the bus. >> and everything you're referring to is called evidence. and maya, that's the big difference. not only on russia but on an unusually active first year, with travel ban, with immigration, with the ethics suits. and we're going to have one of those lawyers later in the show. what you see is the president who, out of the courtroom, has really stretched and broken -- they talk about breaking the internet. you know, if you get enough likes. he has broken some of what the press does. and if you're purely a cynical political operative, you think great, that's a win. fact checks don't matter as much. if you care about facts, if you care about the country, if you care about the republic, tha

joining me now with reaction from orlando is roger stone, a political consultant and former trump campaign advisor. it is great to see you. i compiled that montage for you because i know you love to be reminded of all the wit and wisdom and prognostication skills of the commentariat that routinely question his mental fitness, his instability and so forth. give us a sense of what you believe is really going on with someone like joe scarborough who used to be a republican congress men. >> the first thing you have to understand is that all of this means the russian collusion has failed. the democrats and their handmaidens in the media producing no evidence whatsoever of real russian collusion to assist in the election of donald trump have now switched to plan b. plan b isn't donald trump is crazy. he is mentally unstable, he's nuts. he has his ex his ex and to sentries, theodore roosevelt, andrew jackson. in a case of a guy like joe scarborough, this is bitter jealousy. the entire time he was in the house of representatives, he told his aides he would someday be president. one donald trump wa

. >> absolutely, roger stone 208d me klieg today on the record that he would strongly advise president trump to not fall into a perjury trap. why were you planning on firing michael flynn. micha was there something else with the story? was it publishing that same week that showed that flynn had not been hoppest with the fbi about this information. >> i want to put up a grapeic here. all of the folks around the president that talked to the special council, i think we have comby, sessions, in all of those cases, with the exception of kushner, the issue of flin's dismissile and the comey interactions there. i would assume the president's team wants to know what mike flynn said more than any of them. >> it strikes me what they told bob mueller is very familiar. imagine a scenario are he explained the conversations he had with the president before he spoke to the russian ambassador and after, things that we don't know much about right now. >> all right, thank you very much. i know we have more leads to follow. i'll let you go do your job. >> thank you, chuck. >> joining me now, a senior fel

. >> trump's former adviser, roger stone, has been urging hulk to run for senate in florida.ouncer: challenging florida governor rick scott in the republican primary. >> i have a great fan base. i'd probably win. harvey: he could win. >> i don't want to run. the republicans and democrats act like they hate each other and they don't want to do anything except create chaos so i don't want to be part of that. harvey: is this a flat-out no? >> right now, this moment, it's a flat-out no. harvey: as of now. those are the magic words. hillary clinton said, not even thinking about it now. everybody defers until they don't. kelly: you know what hillary clinton didn't say? the n-word. announcer: that could come up. hulk has apologized but anyway, he ain't running yet. >> is it possible next month it could be maybe or yes? >> it could be. announcer: vague, equivocating. you'll fit in nicely. what would definitely make you run, hulk? >> if there was a job i could take that was bigger donald trump's job, where i was the end-all, be-all decision maker, i'd love that job. announcer: all hai

back to roy kohn, he was the evil lawyer involved in the mccarthy hearings and he was a monitor to roger stone donald trump. asking for his own special roy kohn is a sign of desperation, it's a sign somebody will pull every treek nitrick. it was a very appropriate act on the part of the president. >> my goodness. before we go, matt, i walkts you to help us out. there are reports the justice didn't launched a new investigation whether the clinton foundation was engaged in any pay to play activitieses. because us through what's happening here. >> it's not my story. i'm not the right guy to ask about that. but we've certainly heard enough from the president of the united states to have the justice didn't take a fresh look at the clinton secretary of state fir and the people around the campaign. that's something the president has been pushing for quite some time. >> distractions, distractions. wher . there's good news. 4.1. the stockmarket raging noim. look at the jobs numbers and compare it to the obama erica. whoooo. looking for a hotel that fits... ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over.

donald trump, one of his close friends at one point was roger stone, who has a bunch of ideas about richard nixon. so it wouldn't surprise me that he is aware of watergate and that he would share the nixon defense line about watergate, that john dean is the ultimate enemy, the ultimate rat, if you will. i'm in the surprised it's in his mind. the fact that he connected john dean so quickly to comey gives you a sense of why he's so obsessed with comey. >> it reinforces his insistence to people around him are loyal to him. that's a theme that has been without him throughout his presidency, throughout his campaign and it's been consistent with the reporting that's out there. wolff also writes about that now infamous trump tower report, quote, trump insisted that meeting in trump tower was purely and simply about russian adoption policy. that was what discussed period. period. >> as the book alludes to, the setup for that meeting, the dangle, if you will, by this publicist who set up this meeting between had russian lawyer and russian american lobbyist, jared kushner, donald trump jr. and paul m

evil, i talk about roger stone who's infamous in conservative circles for his smear efforts all the way up to today. i mean, there's just -- i don't i, i don't represent this that is an encyclopedic look, it's an anecdotal look. i talked to liberal and conservative smear artists, and i took the lead from there them as to what they saw was important, who were the important players. some people have criticized i left out the southern poverty law center which some conservatives think is a big liberal smear group. i just did not have good information on them. i tried to write about the topics and the groups that i had good information on from sources or other means and not just trying try to rehash. just because someone's in there and not in there doesn't mean i view them as a smear group or not a smear group. it's not encyclopedic. >> host: what's an astroturf campaign? >> guest: i talk about that a lot in "stonewalled." it's fake grassroots. it's not a term i made up, i forget who did. but it's designed to make it look like there's a grassroots effort of ordinary people maybe against some

if anyone can truly claim to understand the president, i think it would be roger stone.oger, thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so what is this fundamentally about. from an outsiders perspective, it appears to be a debate about who can take credit for the unexpected win in 2016 2016. steve bannon has taken credit for that. the president believes he did i it. to what extent did bannon contribute to the victory? >> well, i wanted to give steve bannon the credit benefit of the doubt, particularly given the reputation of michael wolfft given the comments that steve bannon made while in the white house, it is a stunning act of betrayal, and it is also a complete misunderstanding of donald trump. and in donald trump's world, in trump world, there is no karl rove. donald trump is very much his own world. his his own man, his own strategist, his own speechwriter, his own press secretary, it may be the greatest single salesman in american history. and the president's agenda on which he was elected, i should say's platform, was determined long before steve bann

we had roger stone saying it was cataclysmic, it's a trap.shouldn't go. >> when you originally asked me about this, i said that if it was a normal client, you would never let him be interviewed. if they subpoenaed him, you would take the faith. i told you, i would assume that trump doesn't want to take the liability, political liability. i actually think if anybody could pull it off, it would be president trump. it will be a white-collar defense lawyers dream for president trump to say, ladies and gentlemen, the fifth amendment protects the innocent as well as the guilty against artful questions from the sophisticated prosecutor. i'm innocent, but i'm going to exercise my constitutional righ right, which every criminal defendant has appeared >> laura: they will also say that this whole thing has been a circus. totally tainted. i'm not going to give you the rope to hang me with. i guess he could say that. politically, you can play both ways with the base. what are your thoughts? >> well, it would be a high risk strategy. if anybody could pull

that's why it was potentially legally significant when we found out that man named roger stone from the trump campaign had been in contact with guccifer 2.0, with russian military intelligence during the campaign, including while stone was giving public advanced notice about forthcoming leaks targeting john podesta. in touch with russian military intelligence and stone was given advanced notice of next targets among american political figures and he bragged about it weeks before these leaks were public notice. even though guccifer 2.0 was fake name, false front by russian military intelligence, it was not meaningless, a shoutout to famous figure in criminal hacking. original guccifer, 1.0, a name drawn up by this man, marcel lezar. he used online name guccifer when in 2012 he started hacking into personal e-mail accounts for famous people all over the world, including u.s. political figures and celebrities. colin powell, lisa murkowski, jim nance, football announcer from -- george w. bush's sister. hacking her i think is how we got first public lack at george w. bush's oil paintings. th

trump friend and political operative roger stone put it this way on my radio show today. >> donald trump is his own chief strategist. he is also his own speech writer, his own phrase maker, his own press secretary in many senses. and he is obviously very good at it. yes, donald trump is an eccentric. yes, he does things his way. yes, he is not like every other president that you can think of who was packaged, who was fabricated, who was being handed, you know, polling and focus groups and discussions of how to say things that would make you popular against enormous odds by taking on the two-party duopoly the elites of both parties who have, let's face it, run the country into the ground. is he a genius. >> laura: maybe he doesn't pull over the latest biography or have plato's book on his table big deal. he had great school. he never pretended to be a great academic. not many people are. what did he do? he exposed and named the pretenders, those elites in politics, media and business who helped drive america in to a ditch no matter how badly their policies and ideas failed the people. tho

the drum during the trump campaign, let me quote this, devil's bargain, this is what he writes, roger stone and i came up with the idea of the wall and talked to steeve banno about it. but in 2015 he tried it out at the iowa freedom summit. one of the pledges was i'll build a wul and the place went nuts. warming to the concept trump waited a beat, then added a flourish that brought down the house, nobody, he says u builds like trump. that is how this all started. >> fascinating. >> that became the sticking point for the campaign. that is what if you went to a trump rally people would get out of their seats and cheer on. and the notion that this wouldn't be part of this original deal with the democrats, because they are all about clean daca, how is that going to make all the people that filled those trump rallies and the base feel? >> i totally agree. but at the same time, i think he needs to get a deal done. >> you think it's more about a deal with him? >> i think he's going to find a way to drop the wall and do that later. he's going to ask for some concessions for edition. it could be out

>> look, he's fired roger stone. he's fired sam nunberg, fired corey lewandowski. first campaign manager, lewendowski was just back in the white house talking 2018 strategy. a president with a small circle of loyalists and bannon is not part of that right now, but i believe that could potentially change. certainly i do think bannon remains loyal to trump-ism. even if he thinks that certain people around trump are not serving him well or in danger of falling into the mueller probe, as he clearly indicated in some of his statements to michael wolff. >> and peter, the republican establishment, particularly mitch mcconnell with trump today, seemed almost gleeful that this book may bring about bannon's demise and no singing of kum ba yah, but are they missing the point hi book paints a picture of the white house where no one, 100%, no one, thinks the president is intellectually or psychological up to the job? >> burn the village down. so intent in the senate now to preserve their very narrow majority, just one seat, 51 seats out of 100, that the idea of bannon going dow

they farmed they will out to goosifer 2.0 and then to roger stone.n is admitting to exactly what happened and what trump did with respect to the so-called dirt. >> always great to have you here. coming up, the white house forced to respond to questions about the president's mental health. and the reality show president fact checked by another reality show star. how do you chase what you love with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis? do what i did. ask your doctor about humira. it's proven to help relieve pain and protect joints from further irreversible damage in many adults. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira has been clinically studied for over 20 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb.

is it his time in the barrel next to use an old roger stone? especially after last night's "new york times" report. all the attention and energy is focused on the attention to fire mueller but what if it's not mueller he's after. >> listening to republican members talking about that encourage from my point of view fire rod rosenstein and put in place someone that will tell bob mueller privately you cannot look into these issues. you cannot follow the money. >> congressman adam schiff ranking member of the house intelligence committee on this program last month saying it would be even more evident to fire rosenstein than mueller. joining me is former acting general in 1999 when he worked under the justice department under eric holder. he helped write the very rules that allowed for the appointment of special counsels like robert muller and today has a new op ed in the washington post. a normal president would know not to try it. thank you for being here. appreciate you being here tonight. >> privilege to be with you, joy. >> let's talk about you

and there are some people who are close to the president including roger stone but there are other who are advising him not to do this interview. there's a lot of concern that he could cause more problems for himself legally because of things he may say. liablous things he may say. there's a lot of concern maybe he shouldn't sit down and do this interview. that's being worked out right now. >> paul, final question for you. you worked, if i'm not mistaken in public integrity when you were a prosecutor. >> yes. >> you worked in corruption cases which meant public officials, office holders folks like that. given that background, what is your thinking about what the approach is if and when the mueller team or mueller himself interviews the president of the united states? >> so you know, the president doesn't have a lot of bargaining power with how the interview goes. mueller could always subpoena him and then he has to come and testify. his only way of getting out of it would be to claim the fifth amendment which politically would be untenable i think or he could continue these bogus claim

take a listen to long-time trump aid roger stone. >> under no circumstances should he grant mr. mueller an interview, it's a suicide mission. it's a very clear perjury trap. >> another warning from talk show host rush limbaugh. >> there are conflicting opinions on whether or not trump has to talk to mueller, whether he should, or he shouldn't. if you ask me, don't do it. i don't care what format, what circumstances, don't do it. there's nothing to gain. >> nothing to gain according to limbaugh and this coming in right now. donald trump's criminal defense lawyer john dowd is telling nbc news, forget what you have heard over the last 24 hours, he is the one who will decide if donald trump sits down for an interview or not and dowd says he apparently hasn't made up his mind. and another white house lawyer ty cobb said that he will be donald trump's personal counsel. as for donald trump himself, he's started to frame his own defense. listen to his argument here, one man's obstruction is another man's fight. >> do you think robert mueller will be fair to you in this larger investigat

roger stone actually is. he has been advising trump for more than three decades.lobbied for him in the 1990s. he was campaign manager of his aborted 2000 presidential run. stone was one of the people that urged the president to run for office this time, and he served on the campaign during its critical early months. trump has fired stone more than once, maybe a bunch of times, and called him a stone-cold loser, but their relationship has always recovered. if anyone can truly claim to understand the president, i think it would be roger stone.ve roger, thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so what is this fundamentally about?is from an outsider's perspective, it appears to be a debate about who can take credit for the unexpected win in 2016. steve bannon has taken credit for that. w publicly and privately. the president of course believes he did it. to what extent did bannon contribute to the victory? >> well, i wanted to give steve bannon the benefit of the doubt, particularly given the reputation of michael wolff, but now that all the facts appear

we reported roger stone today, saying it would be a suicide watch to be interviewed with mueller. so it depends what the president wants and what he's willing to agree. to it is hard to imagine such a probe would end, like the hillary clinton probe, would end without talking to the president. but what the terms are remains to be seen. >> do you think they're focusing entirely on obstruction if the only subjects they want to talk to the president about are the firing of flynn and the firing of comey? that would suggest they're not interested in talking about, you know, the meeting in trump tower with donald trump jr., et cetera, the meeting with george papadopoulos, et cetera. >> our reports are that the main two buckets mueller has said they want to ask trump about are those two firings and the events that preceded and followed those twoe different events. the flynn firing early and the comey firing later he that spring. and they've indicated to the president's lawyers, john dowd, ty cobb, those are the two things they would want to lead the question with. >> do you think the sign

could point out how evil roy cohn as the person involved in the mccarthy hearings but a mentor to roger stonend donald trump. and so when he says i want my roy kohn or i want my protection, that says to me, you put it all together, that he has some consciousness that he's done something wrong and needs protection. >> ken, is this an investigation now about collusion or obstruction? >> it's clearly about both, katy. and, you know, jill's making some very strong points. i would just say there's many legal scholars saying that the obstruction case is difficult one to make and may hinge on the question if the president has the right to fire the fbi director for any reason and whether it's construed as an attempt to obstruct justice, part of a conspiracy and then all the other acts we have been hearing about were furtherance. to say there was no collusion, the effort to say comey to go easy on mike flynn and part of what robert mueller is looking at. >> guys, thank you very much. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. >>> coming up, new fire and fury -- the new "fire and fury" book reveals a lot ab

with riva levinson, wrote this piece about working with paul manafort, worked at firm he ran with roger stone and others doing international consulting. that's tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. consider joining me for it. thanks to chris hayes for letting me sit in tonight. it's been a lot of fun. that's the end of my time. >>> tonight did the president just change his tune whether or not he agreed on interviewed by robert mueller. big push back on by the president who said there was no collusion eight times in under two minutes. democrats issue a warning on the danger putin's russia poses to our country and they accuse the president of ignoring the threat. and welcome to the studio says donald trump in the white house cabinet today. all part of "the 11th hour" now under way on a wednesday night. >>> and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york.

something that roger stone had seen about him in a long time and able to be this, this amazing character where, for instance, when barack obama said, i'm a rorshach test, 45 reasons why people support me. donald trump was that way when he first announced. going back, finish one point quickly. that's what steve bannon brought back into the campaign when he joined their very late, whereby all public estimates, hillary would be elected president. and steve came in and brought that back in and brought it home. >> ask about the last thing. michael wolff does an interesting excerpt six. put in. essentially compares -- makes the case that nobody on the campaign wanted to win. and it was sort of like a, like right out of the producers and's they didn't mean to. the campaign came to an end trump himself was sanquine, ultimate going never to win. told aide sam nunberg, in this excerpt, michael wolff goes on to talk about kellyanne conway had a job lined up, michael flynn a lobbying career lined up. everybody had their next act lined up, ready to go and oddly excited about it? >> the point was, whe

know what he's referring to in those other references, but i do know roy cohn was a mentor of both roger stoneand donald trump and that he is one of the most evil lawyers. he was disbarred. he was the person who was so deeply involved in the mccarthy hearings, which is one of the most despicable parts of our history, where people were punished for political beliefs or for not even having beliefs but for refusing to name names. so he doesn't need protection if he's done nothing wrong. so trying to get him to stay because he believed he would protect him shows his consciousness of guilt. alone it's not that big a deal, it's just that when you put them together with all of these other elements, i think you have a case. >> all right, jill wine-banks, i know we will see you again soon, no doubt. thank you so much for your time on this saturday. >> thank you. >>> going to the wall. how far will democrats go to stop the president from building his wall? will a capitol hill showdown lead to a government shutdown? we've got questions and answers, next. >>> the president opened the floor to questions fr

milo yiannopoulos and roger stone threatens to do the same thing.hile, from project veritas suggest that twitter deliberately shatter banned several users likely for politically motivated users. twitter did not deny it. author and columnist mark steyn joins us tonight to assess the wreckage of silicon valley. we learn that a lot of these companies suck up to the repressive, authoritarian government of china, and squelch speech for the sake of increasing their profit margin. is there any moral authority left in silicon valley? >> i don't think so. china is the last big market to conquer. it doesn't really make a lot of difference in money terms but down the road, they see it as that. and if you look at had, in particular, the internet has, in the last ten years, i love the internet, i preferred to the internet ten, 15 years ago -- in the last decade, it is dwindled to a duopoly, basically facebook and google, who, between them, take 84% of the digital revenue on the entire planet excluding china. and that actually means that google andbo facebook acc

. >> roger stone: hillary clinton has bitten, kicked, punched, scratched and thrown hard objects at her host: we ask julian assange whether he has the email that could put hillary clinton in prison. >> stahl: rt's most popular segment about candidate clinton, with over 10 million views online, vilified her as hopelessly corrupt: >> host: so, in 2015, 96% of the clintons' charity went to themselves. >> stahl: that's not accurate, but it's right out of the russian playbook-- disinform and distort in order to destabilize. rt often interviews as experts conspiracy buffs, white supremacists, and actors. it traffics in anti-american crazy theories like, tying terror attacks to the f.b.i. or accusing the pentagon of inventing ebola. >> host: can you blame anyone for distrusting the u.s.'s medical intentions at this point? >> stahl: they air a steady diet of violent protests and racial conflict to suggest the u.s. lacks the moral high ground to criticize russia, and is collapsing from internal divisions. a lot of your pieces are about what's wrong with the united states. >> simonyan: right now,

with riva levinson, wrote this piece about working with paul manafort, worked at firm he ran with roger stonethers doing international consulting. that's tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. consider joining me for it. thanks to chris hayes for letting me sit in tonight. it's been a lot of fun. that's the end of my time. very happy to toss to rachel maddow. how are you rachel? >> great ari. thank you my friend. much appreciated. thanks to you at home for joining us as well. these guys, whatever you think of them, it's undoubtedly true they can't catch a break. donald trump for president campaign chairman and deputy campaign chairman, paul manafort and bill gates. both under federal indictment on multiple felony charges. sometimes they keep you in jail until your trial. maybe it's a break that neither gates nor manafort is in jail but both essentially under house arrest. had to surrender passports and some family members had to. wearing monitoring devices, need

it seems like there are a lot of voices out there, not just roger stone who is a bit of an outlier, but people like newt gingrich openly warning this president don't go under oath with mueller. you are not to be trusted yourself. you personally are not to be trusted as president not to get yourself into a felony situation, a perjury situation. >> well, i think all of us have seen president trump be very reckless with the truth. he speaks in a lot of hyperbole as you can imagine when he is confronted with robert mueller who is asking him very pointed questions, the peril that he is in to tell the truth there. he would find himself in a very dangerous situation. but i'm also aware that president trump has been in lots of litigation before. he has been in depositions before. and so my guess is he is able to turn on some mechanism in his brain when he is sitting in that situation and be a little more careful and a little more circumspect. i also think some people are suggesting that robert mueller is laying a perjury trap for him. and i don't think that's a case. a perjury trap is when you

donald trump encouraging everybody to look at the wikileaks site and then you've got hedge man roger stone had had communications with guccifer 2.0 and wikileaks. the outline of what has happened here is pretty obvious at this point. >> as someone who obviously went through the watergate process, do you think -- what is your reaction to hearing that mcgahn threatened to fire? because it sounds similar to you know, what happened over the department of justice under nixon when they were ordered to get rid of archibald cox. >> yes, i think it's very similar. i mean, this is exactly what nixon ordered elliott richardson to do who was the attorney general. he refused. ruckles house who was the deputy refused. and basically they had to in order to keep the white house from taking over the justice department, both ruckles house and richardson got bork to agree to fire cox so it could be done by at least the department of justice as opposed to a white house takeover. here's, trump is clearly -- has no respect for the department of justice. he has no respect for the rule of law. and he would stop a

if you look to roger stone and many business associates, he has quoan to war with people in the past mended the relationships and continued to talk to people. so i'm not ready to write off bannon as a reporter and say he's totally outside the president's inner circumstance bull certainly this is a major new bump in that relationship. >> sreenivasan: the meeting in trump tower between donald trump, jr. and some of the russians was one of the focal points of the russia investigation but the other was dossier written by fusion g.p.s. mark mazzetti, bring us up to speed on what was in there and other reporting they had. >> the dossier was commissioned by the firm fusion g.p.s. and they hired a former british spy christopher steele to put together information and research any connections between donald trump and russia. this occurred over 2016, and, at the very beginning of 2017, almost exactly a year ago, it became public when buzz feed published the dossier and it was sort of a wide-ranging series of accusations about trump's relations with the russians. some charges were quite salaciou

he still talks to roger stone. this will pass.nd then when he gets frustrated with the political advice he's getting inside the white house, he'll talk to -- he'll talk to steve bannon again. i mean, this is the way this president operates. he doesn't ever discard anybody permanently because he wants everybody to come back in the fold and adore him again. and so i think that, you know, i think that is likely to continue. i do think, though, that people are going to try to use this, as dana points out, to drive a wedge so that the president would be more likely to listen to mcconnell and corey cory gardner, who runs the senate campaign committee, about which candidates the president ought to support. >> and where does steve bannon -- where is his great power? what has he accomplished, you know, since november? he got a democrat elected from the senate in alabama. >> right. >> which seemed impossible. >> right. >> what republican incumbent senator is afraid of steve bannon's challenge at this point? i can't think of any. i don't thi