that left a very big opening for the very strange roger stone who had been banned from serious republican politics since the 1990s. when he was revealed to be advertising with his then wife for sex partners possibly for mr. and mrs. stone to have fun with. revealing photographs for mr. and mrs. stone appearing in swinger ads before the time those things migrated to the internet. and no, we're not going to show you those pictures. that's what google is for. this wouldn't have been a problem for roger stone in most other occupations. but politics, even liberal politics demand very conservative personal behavior. and of course roger stone was offering his professional services in those days to the party that until the trump year always ran on what they called family values. and those family values never did include married couples advertising for and having sex with other married couples. now, i don't remember a single liberal democrat being publicly or privately scornful or judgmental in any way about roger stone's choices about what he did in bedrooms. but roger stone's republican clients

and especially with roger stone.it's oftentimes trying to interpret his statements is like walking through a hall of mirrors. you know, most people in politics who involve themselves in dirty tricks or unethical behavior don't brag about it. roger stone will brag about it but oftentimes take credit and brag about dirty tricks he had nothing to do with. when you look at these situations you have to think was he lying when he took credit for these things, when he said he had advance knowledge of the podesta e-mails or lying when he said he didn't. the thing that interested me most is this idea of a pardon for julian assange. if a potential conspirator to a crime, like roger stone may be, the thing you worry most about is other people in that conspiracy eventually talking and giving you up. and one way to remove the threat of julian assange ever talking is to remove his legal jeopardy and a pardon would do that. roger stone, it's hard to read his denials when he changes his story all the time. the white house was contac

that was not -- most of it was about roger stone. >> do you think they are zeroing in on roger stone as a potential criminal target or not? >> well, they talked about roger stone most of the time. i mean, what do you think? >> what do you think, mya? most of it, the key phrase there, most of it was about roger stone. so he spends hours with these talented lawyers that work for mueller and they quiz him about stone most of the time. >> robert mueller's team is a very smart team. randy is the person that roger stone says connected him as a back channel to julian assange, which means whether or not he says yes, i was, no, i wasn't, rather than say guccifer 2.0 to shelby's point, it matters. they're going to want to probe him on what his connection was, what he did in relationship to what roger stone says happened. you know, a big part of what prosecutors do is try to assess who is being truthful, not just whether or not something happened but whether they can believe something when they say something happened. and stone made very clear and has not been so forthcoming all the time. >> wi

it could not be roger stone. it could be roger stone. it could be people in the campaign he coordinated with. i think that is where we are. >> frank, you get to be the closer tonight. i saw one of the comments you made to the producer about one of the issues central to this. if americans are willing to pay attention at the end of this what do you think they are going to learn about what russia has done to the united states and their role in our politics? >> that is a good question as we discuss the role of roger stone. what is at the heart of it is the degree to which the campaign clu colluded with a foreign adversary to get assistance. and when you talk about roger stone, ultimately what is likely to come out of this is the collusion question. if the americans read the file report carefully it will read like a novel in terms of attempts to get intelligence service engaged and the use of russia to use wikileaks to get e-mails out. people like roger stone, the dirty tricksters, they thought they were helping their candidate and doing thin

targeting roger stone. robert moueller is looking at what roger stone had back channel wikileaks emails. >>> bad disguise, cnn has exclusively obtained stunning surveillance footage allegedly showing a saudi operative leaving the consulate where jahma jamal khashoggie died. >>> and determining the treaty, president trump announces that he's going to terminate the arsenal agreement signed with the soviet decades ago. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we're following breaking news, president trump is expressing frustration with saudi journalist khashoggie. mr. trump said he's not savsed with what he's heard. the president also repeated his unfounded claim that there are, quote, unknown middle easterners within a group of migrants heading from mexico into the united states. we'll speak with jackie spear of the house intelligence committee. >>> let's go to our white house correspondent kaitlin collins. kaitlin, the president seems to be taking a tougher response on the khashoggie killer, wit

roger stone is right in the middle of everything. starts in the spring of 2016 or may of 2015, rather, when basically they go through this big charade of roger stone being fired from the trump campaign, roger stone claims he quit. but basically he goes undercover to work on the trump campaign. and we know that during that period of time up through the spring of 2016 he is talking to people, saying to them that he has had conversations with julian assange and others that he knows that the russians have hacked into the democratic national committee and that they've got the hillary clinton emails and other emails and documents from the democratic national committee. he's right in the middle of talking to guccifer 2.0, the russian operative that releases these emails. early on in june of 2016 shortly after the trump tower meeting he's also talking and he claims to a number of people he was talking to julian assange even though later on he totally denies that. so if you're looking for the key weak spot in terms of who is the connection th

according to "the washington post," the mueller probe is investigating whether long-time investigator roger stone, or any other associate of the president had advanced knowledge of wikileaks's plans to release hacked democratic e-mails in 2016. during the campaign you might remember stone said he could get in touch with wikileaks founder julian assange. now he says those comments were exaggerated or misunderstood. according to a new cnn reporting, investigators have been provided recordings of stone claiming he talked to trump regularly in early in the 2016 presidential campaign, and citing a single source, cnn reports that later after various document down loads from wikileaks, stone claimed in separate communications he should receive credit for coordinating with the group. i want to bring in nick akerman and msnbc little contributor, and barbara mcquade, a former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor. when you worked in watergate, you actually interviewed roger stone. >> i did. he was just a bit player in the whole operation that i was investigating, but today he is a major player in what's bein

did long-time trump adviser roger stone or any other associate of the president have advance knowledge of wikileaks' plans to release hacked democratic e-mails in 2016." today in a statement to nbc news stone denied the accusations, writing "and this gets a bit tough, but it's as written. "i never received anything including allegedly hacked e-mails from guccifer 2.0, the russians, wikileaks, assange, no punctuation, or anyone else and never passed anything on to donald trump, the trump campaign or anyone else. there is no witness who can honestly testify otherwise and no evidence to the contrary." well, with us for more, the aforementioned carol lenning, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter with the "washington post." and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. carol, i saw you on our 4:00 p.m. broadcast and we agree on one central point that we can't get beyond. how did roger stone know to predict that clinton's campaign chairman was about to have his turn in the barrel, tony podesta? >> six weeks before the amazing podesta e-mails are l

so call now. >>> new details suggesting robert mueller is circling trump confidant roger stone, been circling for a while it appears. nbc news is reporting special counsel has evidence stone associate -- new wikileaks had obtained e-mails from john podesta, the same who promoted the swift voting of john kerry and founded the racist theory that barack obama wasn't born in the united states. what this might mean for roger stone and the investigation, jill wine banks and glen kirshner, a legal analyst. he's been subpoenaed, records have been taken, gone before robert mueller he seems to be crucial as mueller looks at stone. >> he does. and both of them seem to be taking credit for the wikileaks release of the e-mails. and so it's hard to get around that. because they wrote texts saying they should get -- for the release of these very hurtful remiles that have been stolen by the russians and released by wikileaks. that's pretty good evidence. and no matter what they say now denying it, and we know that roger stone has a history of saying no, no, no i didn't do things, which he then has to

roger stone. the president claims he can defy the constitution and end birthright citizenship. melania trump's immigration attorney, well, he begs to differ and he's my guest too. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm jake tamer in for erin burnett. outfront, unwelcome? the president making a controversial visit to pittsburgh after the deadliest attack on jews in american history, the president was greeted by hundreds of protesters singing "this land is your land." protesters with signs saying the president's not welcome until he stops what they perceive to be his assault on immigrations and refugees. until he fully denounces white nationalism to their satisfaction. the protests on one level are not surprising. pittsburgh is after all a very capital "d" democratic city and one week before the midterm elections tensions are running high. on the other hand, this is not a normal time and president trump is not a typical president. over the past several years even many conservative republicans have e

and also that a long time friend of stone told the grand jury that roger stone himself admitted to himecret back channel to stone. stone, again, denies this completely in a new denial that he gave to nbc news. when you hear about reports like this, chuck, what do you think? >> like our viewers, i am not at all surprised. in fact, i would suggest to people that they take a look at the indictment that the special counsel's office brought just a few months ago against the gru, the russian military intelligence officials, because there's fascinating paragraph in there, number 44 in fact in which they talk about russian intelligence being in touch with somebody close to the trump campaign. now, they don't say who that somebody is, but given everything roger stone has said in the past about knowing when documents would be dumped into the public arena, about telling people to stand by because something big is coming, that somebody seems to be roger stone. it is not at all surprising to me that the mueller team would be looking at this very, very hard. >> roger stone tweeted about what may or

at least partly, i'm assuming, about roger stone. and don't forget, roger stone indicated, seemed to indicate that he had advanced knowledge of what was coming down about the e-mails. roger stone has flatly denied that in a way, over and over again, but he also sent me a text today when i asked him about it that i thought was interestingly and carefully worded. he said manafort knows nothing whatsoever to contradict what i have said previously. there's no collusion, et cetera. and the fact that he said that manafort knows nothing to contradict what i have said sounds to me at least a little bit carefully worded here. and really, one could argue that donald trump himself was inviting publicly the russians to interfere, and i think in that famous statement that he made about how, you know, please, russia, if you have those e-mails, let's see the e-mails. that, to me, and i think probably in mueller's mind, in and of itself is evidence of collusion. if anybody would know about that, it would be roger stone. >> and so howard, you talk ab

what is roger stone spinning about? >> again, it's fascinating he was able to predict that i see exactly what you're seeing, nick. he has an explanation for that, and that is that this conspiracy theorist jerome corsey predicted and shared his research with roger and said, look, it looks to me like there must be other e-mails that involve podesta, and they haven't been released yet. but the timing is stunning. but you made such a good point about the follow-through, right? if everything is in plain sight about how many times russians made a touch or run or a go for a trump campaign aide, you know, george papadopoulos, michael flynn -- i'm trying to think of the lovely other person. >> well, sessions was in contact with russians. carter page. >> i mean people -- all of them have basically had a russian come at them and offer them something. tried to make some sort of friendly relationship. it's a classic, classic intel operation of trying to find where's the soft underbelly. here's a place where there was a real result.

special counsel robert mueller reportedly focused on long-time trump adviser roger stone and conference calls in which he talks about wikileaks and its founder, julian assange. what did stone know about hacked democratic e-mails. >>> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room". ♪ >>> this is "cnn breaking news." >>> we're following breaking news. a controversial visit by president trump to pittsburgh as the first funerals are held for rick tips of the synagogue massacre. the president is there despite pleas from local officials to postpone the trip as the city reels from the deadliest anti-semitic attack in u.s. history. tonight, mr. trump's presence has sparked a large protest with the president accused of insightment through his heated and divisive rhetoric. i will talk about the breaking news with the pennsylvania attorney general, josh shapiro, and our correspondents, analysts and specialists are also standing by. >>> first, let's go to pittsburgh. our white house correspondent kaitlan collins is there at

what this might mean for roger stone and the investigation, jill wine banks and glen kirshner, a legal analyst. he's been subpoenaed, records have been taken, gone before robert mueller he seems to be crucial as mueller looks at stone. >> he does. and both of them seem to be taking credit for the wikileaks release of the e-mails. and so it's hard to get around that. because they wrote texts saying they should get -- for the release of these very hurtful remiles that have been stolen by the russians and released by wikileaks. that's pretty good evidence. and no matter what they say now denying it, and we know that roger stone has a history of saying no, no, no i didn't do things, which he then has to retract. >> yes. >> he said he had never met with russians. he said that a month after he had actually met with a russian who was offering to sell incriminating information to the trump campaign. he had to undo his testimony before the house intelligence committee. >> glenn, there's a legal question here that's interesting we've been probing on a little bit. let's say corsey or stone knew a

enjoy having an association with roger stone at this moment.ing through. it may improve at the end of the day, brian, that roger stone was a bragger who didn't have any real connection to wikileaks. no special back channel. even though he boasted of it privately. even though had had some unusual predictions. but he does know a lot about donald trump, the candidate. did he know about anything else that was going on behind the scenes that donald trump, who doesn't use e-mail, was talking about. >> i'm guessing we'll find out. the feds, joyce, your former colleagues have ways as they used to say in the old world war ii movies. we appeared together about a week ago. and you kind of were trying to temper the audiences' expectations about the mother investigation. everyone likes to see this and bright light and dark blacks. he's going silent around the election. they're doing their jobs with their usual silence. is that along the lines behalf you're trying to warn viewers? are you trying to say don't expect a dog and paysony show when it's over. don'

robert mueller bearing down on roger stone. later, a fact check on the midterms at trump's rallies, and the view meets the beat as joy behar joins me live in about 20 minutes. first, our top story is breaking news. the fbi is probing a credible plot to frame bob mueller. we rarely hear directly from special counsel bob mueller's office, especially as an election approaches, but tonight, we're reporting a rare announcement from the russia probe that confirms the fbi is now investigating an apparently credible plot to try to frame mueller. an effort to smear him in order to either discredit him or get him potentially even removed from the probe into collusion in the trump operation. this sounds big and unusual. because it's big and unusual. in a moment, i will be joined on "the beat" by someone who was approached by people apparently working on this scheme. first, here is exactly what we know. multiple news outlets reporting on a plot by a republican linked operative trying to frame mueller on what appeared to be made-up allegati

are they interested in roger stone's contact with russians? in his contacts with other trump campaign officials? have other people implicated him? just talk about the mueller team's interest in roger stone. >> well, it's clearly the thing that they're putting their most effort behind right now. and they're doing -- their most work on. they're building towards. at least that we know about. obviously, things mueller is working on that we don't know about. what's going on with stone is a very broad investigation looking at everything that he touched. every interaction that he had and what was he telling the campaign? what was he telling others? what did he really know? was he misrepresenting what he knew. was he trying to, you know, pretend he knew more than he really did where his communications directly with wikileaks, where there are cut-outs. what was his real role in it. and those things are hard to piece together because i think there's some thought that stone may have been overtwerking publicly what he really knew. and that's a difficult t

what mueller is probably trying to figure out is, yes, let's assume for the moment that roger stone hadknowledge. who else had knowledge and what did stone do with that knowledge and how did the trump team, more broadly, if at all, utilized that knowledge. >> mimi roca, thank you so much. >>> and president trump travels to texas to stump with his former rival. you're watching andrea mitchell only on msnbc. what?! that's - i find that crazy. it traces their journey from the mid-1800s from central mexico to texas. learning about the risks they took for a better life it gives me so much respect and gratitude. it just shed so much light in my past that i never even would've known was there. connecting 20 million members to a deeper family story. order your kit at ancestry.com gimme two minutes. and i'll tell you some important things to know about medicare. first, it doesn't pay for everything. say this pizza... [mmm pizza...] is your part b medical expenses. this much - about 80 percent... medicare will pay for. what's left... this slice here... well... that's on you. and that's where an a

when you talk about roger stone, they thought they were doing things to help. greatly appreciated. >>> coming up from all of us with one week to go aimed directly at an audience about sending the u.s. military to our southern border. "the 11th hour" just starting on a sunday night. place, the xfinity xfi gateway. and it's strengthened by xfi pods, which plug in to extend the wifi even farther, past anything that stands in its way. ...well almost anything. leave no room behind with xfi pods. simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. >>> on immigration, some legal scholars believe you can get rid of birthright citizenship without changing the constitution. >> with an executive order. >> exactly right. have you thought about that? >> yes. it was always told to me that you need a constitutional amendment. now they're saying i can do it just with an executive order. how ridiculous, we're the only country in the world where someone comes in, has a baby and the baby is essentially a citizen of the united states for 80 years with all those benefits. i

some of those went to roger stone.proof but it's evidence that's caused the mueller team to go off in other directions to try to corroborate it. there's messages to members of the trump team in which they appear to be taking credit for the whole issue of hacking democratic e-mails that help the trump campaign. those pieces of evidence are leading the mueller team to try to corroborate it. we don't know what other evidence they have. nobody has been charged yet. the game is mueller has indicted 12 russians and charged them with conspireing to defraud the united states. now he is trying to figure out whether any americans helped with that. >> who they interviewed so far, you said there's a number of them. jerome corsi, an alt-right conspiracy theorist who founded the birther movement. kristin davis who was rworking for roger stone. sam nunberg said he believes the prosecutors are building up case to indict roger stone. will we see roger stone go in for questioning? >> he's not been summoned as of now. he has said he expe

so roger stone starts out denying any cooperation with russians.e mueller has a lot more information in that regard, spending a lot of time in the grand jury. i think we'll see another indictment here. >> never before have so many people lied about so many contacts with so many russians in the history of time. >> i wanted to put a book end on it. ken knows and nick knows. what you saw at the end of all this was russian state media. russia today. all of their outlets blowing up the assange revelations, boosting roger stone. it came completely full circle. that's a complete 360 collusion. >> we figured it out here. mueller, if you need any help, we've got it. >>> how donald trump may be rendering foreign spy agencies irrelevant and unnecessary by talking on a cell phone. that story is next. it was here. i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib. what's afib? i knew that meant i was at a greater risk of stroke. i needed answers. my doctor and i chose xarelto® to help k

we have new information about the special process focused on roger stone. sarah murray has been digging into this story. what are you learn something. >> we're learning that robert mueller's team still looking into the question of whether anyone if trump's orbit may have colluded with the russians and the key to that is long time trump ally rogers stone. investigators are looking into whether he shared information with trump's presidential campaign this he believed came from wikileaks. special counsel robert mueller is scrutinizing whether roger stone shared information believed was from wikileaks with members of trump's presidential campaign. a source familiar with matter tells cnn mueller's team has been providing with recordings of stone claiming he talked to trump regularly in the 2016 campaign. stone claims in separate communications that he should get create for coordinating be the group. the questions about whether stone shared information with trump campaign are a strong indication that mueller is investigating that someone close to trump colluded w

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we'll get to the legal team that roger stone is building up in a moment. t to your point about the washington post reporting that bannon was specifically asked about private claims by stone regarding wikileaks ahead of the release of the hacked remar e-mails. bannon said don't believe everything you need. >> yes, yes. but i'm not surprised. mueller is now focussing on the wikileaks, roger stone, if there is connection, as a conduit to the trump campaign and maybe to the president himself. this is really central to any investigation of the russia claims against trump. >> if you had steve bannon, the president's former chief strategist sitting down in front of him this past friday, mueller doesn't waste his or anybody's time. and the topic was communications or alleged communication between stone, wikileaks, et cetera, prior to the release of those e-mails, does that indicate that the question of collusion is still open? >> i think it does because any connection between stone, bannon and wickwikileaks, that's direc the democrats and many of those e-mails that

what might robert mueller's team want to know about roger stone?e know what they want to know, and the question is are they going to build an actual case around it. roger stone in the peak period of the campaign was bragging about what wikileaks or somebody was going to disclose about the clinton campaign, that he apparently knew or claimed to know that the hacked e-mails from the dnc, from john podesta, clinton's former campaign chair, were going to be released and the question is was he an actual intermediary between the trump campaign and the russians. >> what if he did talk to wikileaks, and what if he did know they were going to release the e-mails about paw tkes trau and others? >> it's one thing to know if a crime is going to take place, and it's another thing to conspire or aid and ebbett the criminals, and first he denies he actually knew. one of the bizarre things about roger is he tends to puff up his sinister knowledge, sinister inside behavior, so how much was puffering and how much he actually knew is one of the key questions of the i

it seems like it's still -- >> roger stone is under the magnifying glass. >> roger stone knew about this stuff before it happened. >> he possibly engineered a big portion of it. >> he knew the damaging e-mails about hillary clinton would be leaked before it happened. he knew the damaging e-mails from john podesta would be leaked before they happened. at the lowest point of the trump campaign when those "access hollywood" tapes were released, very damaging to donald trump, two hours later, wikileaks releases these damaging e-mails with hillary clinton trying to change the subject. >> that they had been signaling for two weeks prior. >> if roger stone knew about that, if the trump knew about that, that's collusion, which the president needs to be very concerned. if the republican senate steps up, if there's evidence, he could be removed from office just on that basis. >> and we know robert mueller has charged 13 russians with a conspiracy to impact the 2016 election. isn't he just waiting for that one last dot to connect it to the trump orbit? >> i think so. i think before we got into the

>> what this shows is mueller and his team has been spending a lot of time on roger stone and his associatesspecifically corzi, the conspiracy theorist, and mueller, what we've learned what we're reporting exclusively today is that mueller has messages from corsi to stone before the john pa des ta e-mails were leaked foreshadowing that leak and it seemed, it appeared he had advance knowledge. so they have also interviewed several other corsi associates to try to figure out if he was the back channel to wikileaks. >> because roger stone continues to say he didn't have any contact, direct contact with julian assange and it was all sort of tweets that he had made. he hasn't completely said he hasn't had contact with anybody who might have had contact. >> that's right, what he actually says is randy, who was a comedian in new york, was his back channel, so they're in this war, because creditco denies it. another thing we just learned is that corsi testified to the grand jury that he did know that the podesta e-mails were coming out because he figured it out. he had read all the initial wikileaks

, his investigators have now spoken once again with steve bannon as all signs begin to point to roger stone, his friend of 30 years. >>> and with a direct line to his base, the president launches a theory that he alone can reverse a constitutional birthright. >>> tonight we have kornacki at the big board with the numbers and the late word that the president has lost kanye. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a tuesday night. >>> well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 649 of the trump administration. pittsburgh, pennsylvania remains just about the saddest place on earth tonight, and we'll have video of the president's uncomfortable visit to that city. but here tonight, we're following the robert mueller investigation and new word on his investigation. the "washington post" says mueller's team is pressing witnesses on roger stone, particularly his interactions with trump officials and his e-mails released by wikileaks, if you'll recall, really minutes after the "access hollywood" report dropped. mueller seems to be focused on whether wikil

here's what i'm interested -- do you think, if roger stone is found to be guilty of this or have this affect the president given that stone was fired early on in the campaign process? >> jessica: i think it's up to bob mueller if it does and how many doxies connecting beyond roger stone. i think there's a few people linked to the campaign for various mess of time that we all have acknowledged many times on this couch are just dirty dealers. like paul manafort, roger stone, carter page. former advisor to the kremlin. it gets russia back into the conversation. if you notice, we have got a few weeks, actually. >> melissa: i did notice that. >> except for the treaty. >> judge napolitano: we had a few weeks because mueller -- he has fastidiously complied with the doj regulations not to make announcements in the 60 days preceding a national election, unless it's necessary to prevent somebody from leaving the country. >> i think that's generous. >> judge napolitano: i have known roger stone for 40 years. >> i'm sorry. a >> judge napolitano: that's all right. going back to the nixon and reaga

the difficulty with the whole roger stone investigative thread is he dissembles, roger stone, that isso much and the people around him dissembles so much what is fact and fiction is going to be an enormously challenging task for robert mueller. that's one of the reasons why we encouraged them to provide the stone transcript but certainly there are a lot of suspicious communications that have already been referred to in public for wikileaks which was basically the russian gru unit that was running this clandestine effort so it doesn't surprise me at all, but i think it's really one of only a great many investigative leads that mueller has been pursuing. >> one thing that i think has gotten lost a little bit because of the drip, drip, drip news about stone is stone was a very obvious de facto agent of the campaign, ally to the presidential advisor. should it be the case that he was found to have conspired with a foreign entity, that would be the bar, right? >> well, it would certainly mean that elements of the trump campaign were conspiring, were colluding with the russians. if he was i

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you may have heard -- we've all heard a lot about roger stone. tonight is in nbc news' ken dilanian, mueller grabbing evidence on exactly how this information may have spread. this is before those famed clinton e-mails were out. mueller subpoenaed him last month over communications over roger stone. dilanian reports a source who read some of these messages indicated there was advance knowledge which builds on the public boasting by both roger stone and this gentleman, mr. coursei about these e-mails. he wrote this book you see there called where's the birth certificate, that was ultimately answered when trump embraced his theory. we are joined by nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian who broke it as well as neera who is close to all of it. ken, starting with you where is mr. corsi who may not be well-known, fit into the theory of the case here? >> we came across the information when we tried to figure out why robert mueller is parading all these friends of roger stone in front of the grand jury. and we learned one of t

, which while the president will distance himself from roger stone, roger stone has been a longving off and on advisor to this president. the longest serving of his political group. and so it could be any one of these things, but he had taken a break from agitating about this. he had not tweeted the words witch hunt for a month. the way it had been described by several people close to him, a, he personally believed that mueller was winding down for whatever reason, and we don't know why. he believed that, number one. number two, he also believed that all he could do was rock the boat. yet, here you had him doing it again this week. >> you know, david, if the focus is roger stone and any kind of indictment, to maggie's point, he left the campaign relatively early on, at least publicly left the campaign. >> if at the end of the day there is only an indictment of roger stone and no indictment of anyone else or no charges leveled against the president with regard to collusion or obstruction, that will be a manger victory. the white house would take that in a heartbeat. there are a n

reporting about manafort having met nine times with the special counsel's office, more focus on roger stone. what are your expectations for where this goes next? >> the evidence is pretty clear that there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. >> you think there's evidence pretty clear? >> the evidence is there. whether they have enough of it to bring criminal charges is another issue entirely. likewise with obstruction of justice charges. what we saw in firing comey and the threats to the investigators, in various other actions linked to the white house is the potential obstruction of justice case. >> is it not absolutely essential, both these cases, vis-a-v vis-a-vis russia and saudi

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people in roger stone's orbit.that case goes forward then we open up another can of worms and another criminal procedure with roger stone, if indeed mueller feels he has enough to indict one of donald trump's longest running political operatives. someone who's known donald trump going back to the '80s. >> you're right. there's roger stone, there's what may or may not happen with michael cohen and his cooperation, there's paul manafort, what he's saying. and there's someone maybe from the trump family who could find themselves one of mueller's targets. there are unanswered questions. maybe we shouldn't read too much into two people leaving. remember february, if it happens, i called it. >>> it's a bird, it's a plane, it's the man who plays batman playing dick cheney. one more thing after the break. . one more thing after the break how much horse power does this thing got? doing great dad! looking good babe! are you filming. at booking.com, we can't guarantee you'll be any good at that water jet thingy... but we can

there's a whole netflix documentary called "get me roger stone" that's base on that persona.ying to do with witnesses and with the grand jury is to show the grand jury that this is a guy that has a history of toeing or even crossed the line. he believes it's possible that mueller's team could bring charges against him to somehow flim and kw flip and cooperate against the president. stone denied it and said i've always acknowledged playing hard core politics but i've always said my campaign tactics do not include breaking the law, he said the special counsel is willfully misleading the grand jury. as for the special counsel's office, they are not commenting, brooke. >> sarah murray, thank you. the senate majority leader just revealed whether the report on brett kavanaugh will be made public, this as several democrats say it should be kept confidential. why? plus what happened involving the bar fight and a ub-40 member? clshz un-stop right there! i'm about to pop a cap of "mmm fresh" in that washer. with unstopables in-wash scent boosters by downy. ah, it's so fresh. and it's g

absolutely everything that he knows right now, and that, of course, will include anything he knows about roger stonearound for quite some time now. so it's not a surprise at all given that we know that mueller's focusing on stone, and we know manaforts is cooperating and giving everything he has. but that was a huge break for the investigation because if anyone knows about collusion in the trump campaign, you would have to think it's paul manafort. >> on the flip side, is it possible that manafort could help stone by saying truthfully with his own bacon on the line, yeah, roger exaggerates a lot of stuff. when we talked about whether he had anything, he had nothing. >> i wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" that said exactly that. the best thing about paul manafort cooperating that we will very likely now get to the bottom of whether or not there was collusion. we don't know, but paul manafort probably does. if roger stone is right and he has publicly stated over and over again that he did nothing wrong, if he's right, then that's what paul manafort will likely say. >> i look to you for the law,

roger stone's statements about wikileaks, which comes amidst new reports this week that mueller has obtained any evidence on stone. those 2016 conference calls where stone touts his access to julian assange and talks of future information dumps. >> in the background of this entire race going forward, the fact that julian assange, who say anything you want about him, he's not a fool, is going to continue to drop information on the american voters that are going to roil this race. he's made that very clear. >> so that part is in public view. the audio obviously leaked. behind the scenes there is also a sealed effort to get a federal witness to testify -- that means only the feds know who their sealed witness is. but tonight, a different be trump lawyer is going on the record to reiterate that bob mueller has not had a subpoena issued for president trump and saying there's no litigation about that. an unusual statement that is rebutting an article that suggested that maybe the mystery grand jury witness could be trump. by prominent former prosecutor nelson cunningham who joins me tonigh

roger stone.s the man who asserted the hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta would soon be seeing his time in the barrel just weeks before 0 podesta's hacked e-mails went public. plus the story keeps changing from the saudis about the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. president trump just weighed in again in a brand-new interview. and trump down in texas today stumping for ted cruz just hours after he told reporters he has no regrets about saying cruz's father was involved in killing president kennedy. i think i'd remember that kind of charge if my dad were accused ever that. >>> let me finish tonight with trump watch. it's about the bad example -- i was with some teachers this weekend -- that he's giving to students of these teachers. they say things like, i can call people bad name. the president does it. how about that? this is "hardball" where the action is. sometimes bipolar i disorder can really get you going. but mania, such as unusual changes in your mood, activity or energ

>> this is the latest in the saga of an drou miller, a former associate of roger stone.e was subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury. instead of providing that testimony he decided to wage this court battle and challenge robert mueller. he was asked in a radio interview with an sympathetic interviewer, who was michael caputo, another witness in the saga surrounding roger stone, about how he feels about his case now that kavanaugh is on the supreme court. here is what they said. >> how does it feel to know that brett kavanaugh, who kavanaugh says is a "yes" vote in your case, how does it feel to know he's there? >> i feel nothing but great. i'm cool as a cucumber now. my stress has been pretty much relieved in the fact that i have the disciples, peter and paul, working on my case and alicia dern. i have never been so protected. >> now, wolf, previously we had been told that andrew miller is not a public figure was very stressed out about this case. apparently now he feels differently with brett kavanaugh on the court. >> is there any chance this case will actually mak

he seems to be focusing in on roger stone arc long-time associate. e, in turn, is beefing up we are told his own legal team, adding a constitutional law expert, for example. this comes amidst reports that steve bannon, who was the chief political strategist for the president, has now been called back a third time to testify to answer questions about we believe roger stone with mueller, things are happening right now. >> sure. things have been quiet, presumably, because of this non-binding doj guidance to not have a lot of action prior to an election. roger stone has not been called to interview by the special counsel, which suggests he could be a target, meaning a top person they might indict. >> they can't wait to talk to him? >> correct. this is a person that, this issue is, we're not talking out of obstruction of justice or money laundering crimes, we're talking the core issue of money laundering in the election and mr. stone by his own account had some communications with guccifer, the hackers who according to mueller indictment was behind -- russ

did peter smith talk to roger stone? we know that peter smith had a relationship with michael flynn. now it's all about connecting the dots. >> barbara, paul manafort, the former trump campaign manager appeared in federal court in virginia on friday. he was in a wheelchair, missing his right shoe when he made that appearance. his lawyers claim they're dealing with significant health issues. they've asked the court to expedite his sentencing. how do you think this might impact his sentencing that's scheduled for i think february now. >> a sentencing date has been set. that's lukely enough time to give robert mueller an opportunity to do what he has to do to debrief him. it sounds like he's been working with great urgency. they've met nine time and each meeting has been at least six hours in duration. ideally you would have the sentencing occur after someone's cooperation has been completed. not only have they sat down and talked with you, but they have testified so can you continue to hold out the carrot of a reduced sent