did that apply to roger stone? a.g. barr: i cannot reveal all of the information. >> does that apply? a.g. barr: no. did what apply? >>'s health. a.g. barr: health is a reason. >> was that the case for roger stone? age can be a consideration only if it creates conditions to an unusual degree. he is 67. a.g. barr: the judge agreed with me. >> i am not asking you that. a.g. barr: i know you're not. the issue here is whether roger stone was treated differently because he was friends with the president. when you asked to reduce the sentence, you said enhancements were technically applicable. do you think of other times when a defendant threatened to kill a witness, threaten to a judge, lied to a judge where the justice department claims those were mere technicality. a.g. barr: the judge agreed with us. >> i am not asking about that. i am asking about what you did to reduce the sentence he threatened the life of a witness. a.g. barr: can i answer the question? >> i am asking if there is another time. a.g. barr: the judge agr

according to jerome corsi, news of the release made its way to roger stone. one spoke twice. once at 1:42 for 18 minutes and once at 2:18 p.m. for 21 minutes. corsi recalled learning from stone the "access hollywood" tape would be coming out and stone wanted the poddesta stuff to balance the news cycle either right then or at least coincident. according to corsi, stone told him to have wikileaks drop the podesta emails immediately and, ken, they did drop them. stone and wikileaks is also a mystery that we've yet to fully solve. >> you're absolutely right, chuck. you and i talked about this during the stone trial. we knew some of these facts from the stone trial. what we have is a bipartisan report signed off on by some of trump's closest allies in the senate. john cornyn, tom cotton which says we assess that donald trump did, in fact, talk to roger stone about his outreach to wikileaks and the gatherings of these emails and what he was up to, even though donald trump told robert mueller that he didn't recall speaking about that at all. and now he said he didn'

roger stone was getting advanced warning of wikileaks dumps of stolen information intended to damage ary clinton and then sharing that information with the president according to stone and drafting pro-russia tweets for the president, remarkable connections there, but it also goes into donald trump jr., that famous meeting in trump tower in june 2016 and says that trump jr. was interested in the damaging information even though he knew it was likely coming from the russian government? >> that's right. i mean, you know that we saw the famous email from trump jr. where, you know, at the invitation of this meeting he says if it's what you say i love it. i'll read you a part of what the committee says. the committee found evidence suggesting that it was, quote, the intent of campaign participants in in the june 9th, 2016 meeting, particularly donald trump jr. to receive derogatory information that would be of benefit to the campaign from a source known or at least by trump jr. to have connections to the russian government. this is obviously the president's son and people associated with j

the breaking news with president comeulted the prison sentence for his friend of several decades roger stone. >> just days before stone was set to begin his more than three year prison sentence the president making his long time friend and ally a free man. >> the 67 year old promised to never turn on the president. >> this is what stone-- howard fineman. >> he know i was under tremendous pressure to turn on him t would have eased my situation considerably but i didn't. >> republican senator mitt romney accuse the president of unprecedented historic corruption. >> this is bribery pure and simple. a quid pro quo. >> the president through this come taition is basically saying if you lied for me, if you cover up for me, if you have my back then i will make sure that you get a get out of jail free card. >> trevor: oh wow. i think trump is going to have to update his campaign chant after this. >> lock him up. unless he's my friend. then set him free. seriously, i love you had trump is the law & order president when it comes to his enemies or marginalized groups being sent to jail, but as soon as i

news of the release also made its way to roger stone." the report goes on -- "stone wanted the podesta stuff to balance the news cycle, either right then, or at least coincident," even telling his confidante, "have wikileaks drop the podesta emails immediately." 30 minutes after the "access hollywood" tape was released, wikileaks released the emails. so there you go, john heilemann, a timeline we basically knew from the mueller report, but again, a senate intel committee confirming a lot of what's in the mueller report, but as ben wittes says, even going further in some places. >> right. and we're doing the thing this morning of, like, how we'd like to talk about this. i mean, i think one of the things in the ideal world, one of the things that this report illustrates really vividly is how much this conversation over time has been polluted by the use of words like collusion, words that don't have any legal consequence but have, particularly when they've been deployed for political purposes by people like bill barr and others. and yesterday

>> well, it's suspicious, okay, roger stone has been convicted of seven counts of lying to congress, of obstructing justice, witnessing tampering. as stone himself said when he dropped the appeal in last few hours, he said my lawyers said that there wasn't really a good chance that i could win it. that's true. it's interesting that roger stone didn't coordinate with his lawyer because his own lawyer said in an interview i'm really bummed that stone dropped the appeal because i thought he had a really good appeal. they haven't gotten their stories straight. well, maybe they have some intelligence from the white house that maybe the president is considering a pardon. president trump did already commute his sentence and reduce it down, but i think now he's contemplating something even further and that would fit the president's pattern of the die-hard supporters of the president who get rewarded because of their political -- >> the lawyer may be disappointed on losing out on those billable hours. sally yates speaking at the dnc. what does this signals to voters? >> the most important thin

roger stone said someone interceded check me if i'm wrong. thank you. sue went barbara mcquade, the role of faisal lawrence here? >> guest: there has been an investigation into phis awards in the russia investigation brady inspector general about inconsistencies. looks like multiple sloppiness on the part of the fbi is a real drop of obligations the most egregious was the fbi lawyers to alternate e-mail to gives the opposite meaning of what carter hate was an aide, an advisor to the trump campaign, was or was not the asset of the cia. these could be innocent mistakes was done and a sloppy fashion to get it done. but when the stakes were so high that expect the very best of the fbi. instead they got a very shoddy job brady inspector general went back later and investigated 26 separate applications for it and find problems in all 56 of them. it wasn't necessary will they were getting the rights sloppiness is being done. it should have the ability to collect intelligence against people and the united states with contacts with foreign agents. the government

roger stone said somebody in the senate got my back. it's all wrong. thank you.ost: barbara mcquade. the role of faisal warrants here -- fisa warrants here. guest: there has been investigation into the use of fisa warrants and the inspector general issued a scathing report about inconsistencies. it appears it is sloppiness on the part of the fbi, which is a real drop of its obligation to ensure that accurate facts are presented to the court. the most egregious example was an fbi lawyer who altered emailed to give it the opposite meaning of what it had, about whether carter page was an advisor to the trump campaign, was or was not an asset of the cia. it may be that these are innocent mistakes that were case like thisa where the stakes were so high, one would expect the very best in the performance of the fbi, and instead we got a very shoddy job. the inspector general went back later and investigated 26 separate fisa applications and found problems in all of them. they weren't necessarily problems where people's rights were being violated, but sloppiness was bein

suggest donald trump lied in his sworn testimony when he denied recalling any discussions with roger stonespite trump's recollection, the committee assesses that trump did in fact speak with stone on multiple occasions. the report said that trump campaign chairman paul manafort represented a grave counterintelligence threat. that's because they confirmed that manafort was indeed exchanging information with a russian intelligence officer, in other words, a spy. not only that, but two pieces of information which are redacted from the report raise the possibility of manafort's potential connection to the kremlin's hack and leak operations. the committee found that russia tried to cover their tracks by accusing ukraine of election interference. and trump later seized upon that false narrative which led to his impeachment. and two of the russians at that infamous trump tower meeting with don jr., they had significant connections to russian intelligence as well. the report even delves into the salacious revealing unconfirmed allegation about trump's relationships with women in moscow, which were

have a listen to what he had to say. >> it's roger stone, it's michael flynn, paul manafort, michaelat say about your judgment -- >> well, there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied on our campaign illegally and if you look at all of the scandals they had they had tremendous lawlessness but i was not involved. i was not involved in the project. i have no idea who was. >> i was not involved in the project. can the president continue to feign ignorance about the criminal activity around him. >> well, he can, because that's what he does and he won't change. his formative years are over. but what we see in this administration really is corruption run amuck and almost no patriotism. and that's what this has in common with everything else. let's just say -- look at the people who gave this money. i don't have happen to agree with them, but many of these people genuinely thought they were building a wall and steve bannon has been spouting off that he, you know, became this populist here row because of the way his father was treated in life and he was going to help t

we saw that with roger stone. steve bannon is not in the same position as roger stone. men don't like each other very much. you could have a scenario in which one or more of bannon's co-defendants flip against him. steve bannon, although he's the most famous and notorious member of this case, is not the lead defendant. the lead defendant is someone else who is much more at the forefront of all of this. but steve bannon conspired with him. it could be true that steve bannon has information about other criminal conduct and conspiracies, whether it's against one of the president's relatives, the president himself or something separate from all of this. steve bannon has been in business for years and years and years and you never know what kind of information he might have. right now he and his lawyers are playing a loud and boisterous attack game against the southern district of new york prosecutors and the government. but this is the trump doj. bill barr has said, i don't know the degree to which he was briefed, but bill barr said he was aware of this before the arrest. i

when roger stone was arrested for things he did and things he lied about during the presidential campaign, the president tried the same thing. he said, now, you know, roger didn't work for me in the campaign. rog roger stone didn't work on the campaign except way, way at the beginning, long before anything we're talking about here. this is how loyalty works. the loyalty demands are infinite. the loyalty reciprocity, it's, what? you're breaking up. i can't hear -- could you call me back? now the president, as he prepares to accept the renomination of his party for president, as the biden and harris campaign takes off like a rocket, now the president says his newly arrested campaign chairman is some random guy who worked for goldman sachs, who trump barely remembers him. did he work at the white house? who knows? nobody can remember that far back. steve bannon has pled not guilty to these felony charges. we are now, interestingly, starting to see headlines from him, sourced to him, bragging about how he very much knows the president and is still in contact with the president. steve bannon i

roger stone is also working with the president closely and worked with steve bannon closely.e goes, karma is a "b." then he went on to say, "i'm praying for him." >> i'm praying for him. interesting. >> all the president's men. >>> it's the state that could swing the presidential election. we caught up with a key group of voters in florida to see how much the democratic national convention may determine their vote. may determine their vote needles. essential for sewing, but maybe not for people with certain inflammatory conditions. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, or moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when other medicines have not helped enough. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers incl

you have 2 seconds to answer the question i have no comment from commuted his friend roger stone's prison sentence for obstruction and witness tampering among other crimes in july the joy is a mega donor to the trump campaign he denies helping trump by sabotaging the postal service he now leads and again back out to sea mail in ballots delivered on time this sacred duty is my number one priority between now and election day since to joy became postmaster general in june reports of mail delays as a result of his cost cutting measures have alarmed americans the joy says he'll suspend further cuts but will not reinstate the mailboxes and sorting machines that have already been removed going to where you put the machine i'm very i'm very proud to lead the organization the rest of your accusations are actual you put those what actually are a good machine i will not you will not will not you will not will either go republican say to joy has been unfairly targeted by democrats the man sitting before this committee today is not who the democrats have been nice to him to be he's here today because

it's roger stone, michael cohen. it's rick gates, paul manafort, michael cohen. what's it say about your judgment these are the kind of people you are affiliated with? >> well, i have no idea. >> how did these people get into trump's inner circle? trump has no idea. i should note we cutoff the sound bite because the president then went on into a lie about the obama administration. there is no need to amplify those lies. but trump made an effort to brand himself as the president of law and order. look at the people he surrounds himself with. look at him. robert mueller detailed nearly a dozen potential instances of obstruction of justice by trump during the russia investigation. trump paid $2 million in fines and closed his family foundation after admitting that it had used donations to pay campaign and business expenses, some personal expenses, too. the prosecutors in that case are still investigating trump's banking and tax conduct. federal prosecutors in new york, the ones that bring charges -- that are bringing charges against steve bannon are looking at alleg

we've already seen president trump blink when it came to a full pardon for roger stone.commuted the sentence. now that we have these new revelations about paul manafort, if you can just protect forward. say there is a new attorney general under a president joe biden. what recourse might his attorney general have if president trump, maybe under the advice of william barr, who has done this before in the past, pardons manafort and places him outof the reach of the justice department, what recourse might the next attorney general have to actually seek some sort of justice, really for the american voter based on what these men did to our election? >> yeah. i would expect that with a loss in the election and maybe even if he wins, that the president is going to probably pardon paul manafort. i think we need to gird ourselves for that. that doesn't mean that paul manafort is done. the next attorney general, the next justice department, in an appropriate way, can convene a grand jury and put paul manafort before that grand jury, and ask him questions about all the things for wh

roger stone gets him over to the reform party and then gets donald trump to jump in as well. the republican party has to do this kind of thing. it's been doing it since nixon probably and before. but particularly now, it is not a majortarian party. it is not even close. and when you start strike that -- strategizing how to keep the presidency with the minority of voters, when you accept you represent a minority, this is what it starts to look like. voter suppression and that cynical effort to use kanye west to your advantage. joining me now is cameron joseph, the senior political reporter of the vice news. he has been doing incredible leg work uncovering the republicans involved in trying to get kanye west on the ballot. cameron, talk me through how you started looking into this and what you found. >> well, honestly, early on i wasn't taking kanye that seriously. he had this random tweet. don't really know the strategy. i was keeping an eye on it, but not thinking he was engaging that much. then we saw that rally in south carolina where it was clear he wasn't exactly a focuss

and with your recent commutation of richard nixon's fan and who is now convicted roger stone, you havehown that the only law and order you believe this is the kind used by you to punish those who you see as political enemies. but you know something, mr. president? i too am a great believer in law and order. the american people will hold you accountable for your crimes. and come january 20th when you return to the civilian life and can't use the office of the presidency to shield yourself from the consequences of your misdeeds, i look forward to seeing you get a taste of the american justice system. seeing you get a taste of the american justice system. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance. i just... when i... let's try again. everybody back to one. accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today. (woman chattering) - [narrator] ordering dinner for the

when roger stone was arrested for things he did and things he lied about during the presidential campaign, president tried the same thing. you know, roger didn't work for me in the campaign, except way at the beginning, long before we're talking about him. this is how loyalty works. loyalty demands are infinite. the loyalty reciprocity, what, you're breaking up, i can't hear -- could you call me back? now the president, as he prepares to accept the renomination of his party for prerk president, as the biden and harris campaign takes off like a rocket, now the president says i his campaign chairman some guy who worked for goldman sachs, can barely remember him. did he work at white house? who knows, nobody can remember that. steve bannon has pled not guilty to felony charges. now starting to see headlines sourced to him bragging about how he very much knows the president and is still in contact with the president. steve bannon is thought to be facing a considerable sentence if he's convicted here. theoretically, maximum sentence for these crimes, decades in prison. realistically more like

i am an expert on roger stone. again, he's another figure that i think people have wild theories he was to go between the russians and the trump campaign. i think that roger would have liked to have been the go-between that he was on the outside during most of the campaign and he didn't have the access that he wanted. and i think that he wound up being convicted of lying to congress as well as he should have been and not someone who again i don't think that he was the linchpin of a conspiracy with russia. i think that he was just doing his crazy roger thing. >> host: i now know from my singular experience compared to yours you do get to say something you really want to say at the end it's not really part of the story and you talk about the profession of journalism and fake news and that you helped make the book happen that you focused at the end on your fellow journalists. >> guest: the book is dedicated to my fellow journalists. it's my eighth book and i kind of ran out of the media. i got older permissions to do t

roger stone, repeated contacts with wikileaks.iving, according to the committee, advanced warnings to the president and composing pro-russian tweets for the president. roger stone, there. it's a remarkably detailed report. folks at home, i know there's a lot of detail but you should read sochl thme of this yoursel some of the details shocking. >> not just released by democrats but the republican majority signed off as well. the report comes less than three months away from another presidential election here in the united states. how concerned is the u.s. intelligence community right now about additional russian interference? >> enormously. they've said just days ago that russia is interfering again. it is interfering with the intention of helping donald trump as was its intention in 2016. what's remarkable is the president still has not publicly or to our knowledge privately warned russia away from doing so. never said don't do this, don't interfere. that's remarkable. there are a whole host of conversations between the president

michael cohen, paul manafort and roger stone just to name a few. the president asked about the former campaign adviser earlier today. >> i feel very badly. i haven't been dealing with him for a long period of time as most of the people in this room know. he was involved in our campaign. he worked for goldman sachs. he worked for a lot of companies but he was involved at our campaign and for a small part of the administration very early on. i haven't been dealing with him at all. i know nothing about the project other than i didn't like when i read about it i didn't like it. i said this is for government. not for private people and sounded like showboating and i think let my opinion strongly stated at the time. i didn't like it. showboating maybe looking for funds and you will have to see what happens. i think it's a very sad thing for mr. bannon. >> cnn's cara scanel joining me from outside the courthouse. what can we expect from today's court appearance? >> reporter: anderson, we are just learning that steve bannon is expected to appear in court i

and this report, signed off by republicans and democrats, says that roger stone actively was trying to the information from wikileaks and did so in coordination with candidate trump. so it leaves it to you to decide, do you really think you would forget that given how important that information became to the campaign in terms of it dribbling out, you know, throughout october? >> i mean, and trump is the guy that can remember man, woman, camera, toe nail or whatever he is telling ubut he forgets talking to roger stone over and over and over again about wikileaks while at the same time talking about wikileaks over and over and over again on the campaign trail. i mean, do you have any doubt that donald trump's answers were lies? >> no, i mean just to be clear, the special counsel was asked that exact question when he testified under oath before congress, which is whether he believed that the president's answers in writing to him were accurate and truthful, and he said he did not think so. and i fully support that. >> so this is a personal question. do you feel like it's a fair conclusion

it wasn't just manafort, but roger stone who was a middle man in sharing stolen information to get out of the public eye here. giving, according to the committee advance warning to the president about these releases and even. composing pro russian tweets for the president. roger stone there. >> despite the findings coming out of in that bipartisan report democrats and republicans have still drawn different conclusions with some republicans and the white house saying it reaffirms there was no collusion while the lead democrat in the committee urged americans to read the report and judge for themselves. >>> coronavirus cases in the u.s., and the director of the university of virginia center for politics joins me now from charlottesville, virginia. good to have you with us. >> thank you, rosemary. >> larry, of course the big political issue right now is president trump's undermining of the u.s. postal service and mail in voting. for now those change that were slowing down deliveries have been put on hold but many voters still wonder if their ballot will get counted. . there was a lot of c

there was a conversation about roger stone getting out there with information about john podesta. they assessed that donald trump was aware of his even though donald trump told robert mueller, a federal prosecutor that he did not recall any conversations whatsoever. while this report does not directly accuse donald trump of lying, it paints such a detailed picture of phone conversations and e-mails and other kinds of information that donald trump had to have known about that it makes it not credible that donald trump was not aware that roger stone was interacting with wikilea wikileaks. that's one of the breathtaking things about the report. if we were hearing about all of this for the first time, this would be an epic scandal. the other remarkable thing we're learning is this report directly call up manafort's colleague kilimnik was a russian intelligence officer. if we had known that in 2016, the election results may have been different. >> ken, what it does is that it outlines the extent to which the campaign was open to getting any help at all, and we're hearing about it as th

so the report also found that president trump did speak to roger stone about wikileaks, which is thecused of putting out, disseminating russian obtained emails through the hacks, et cetera. despite the fact that president trump told the special council that he had no recollection that he had spoken with roger stone about it, is your report suggesting that president trump lied to robert mueller? >> our report laid out three and a half years of work of the facts that we obtained. i think it is twice the volume of the mueller report. it is part five of literally thousands of pages, hundreds of interviews and documents. i think every american ought to be advised, particularly this volume five, read it and draw your own conclusions. both looking back at 2016 but more importantly making sure it doesn't happen again in 2020, particularly in the midst of a pandemic and we have a president before the election who is saying he may not abide by the results when we've got his post master general clearly getting caught trying to screw up the workings of the post office and there is going to be mo

print interview when he claimed to have no recollection about conversations about wikileaks with roger stonedespite trump's recollection, the committee assesses that trump did, in fact, speak with stone and stone's access to wikileaks on multiple occasions. however, there's a frustrated amount of redactions in the report whenever wikileaks comes up. is this all because of this see? >> the intelligence community chose what to redact, but i think anyone who would review the report and see the amount of contacts between stone and wikileaks and the timing of the release of the wikileaks hacked information, i would ask any american to read that and draw their own conclusions. >> and finally, there is a footnote in here that i want to ask you about because it was an intriguing footnote depending on how you read it. when asked about donald trump's junior's commune kagds with wikileaks on this topic, bannon said i think trump junior is a guy who believes everything on breitbart is true. number one, why is that footnote in the report and how do you interpret that quote? >> i'm not going to speak to t

he has not played the same game he did with roger stone or with michael cohen in the beginning wheretried to suck up to the person who might know something about him and was now in legal trouble. he's tried to cut bannon loose from the beginning. >> david farenthold and david corn, thanks, david, thanks, david. >> thanks, joshua. >> thank you. >>> opponents of straw man leaders in and near russia are facing pushback and poison. a russian opposition leader is in germany now for medical treatment. navalny is an outspoken critic of vladimir putin. he remains in a coma but is in critical and stable condition. allies believe he was poisoned on thursday, allegedly by the kremlin. doctors in russia say he more likely lost consciousness because his blood sugar dropped. >>> meanwhile in belarus, thousands of demonstrators gathered in the capital calling on that country's authoritarian president to step down. protesters have been in the streets two weeks outraged at the long-time president. these demonstrations began after belarus' presidential election which was on august 9th. critics say the

roger stone, of course, has praised kanye west.indications that he has the finger prints on this. roger stone has many elections under the belt where he's behind the scenes undergrounds doing this things. >> errin, quickly, there is a question, joe biden with a new ad today aimed at african-american voters. a question on voting intensity. >> yeah. and i think that, you know, this is all part of a larger conversation about voter enthusiasm that needs to drive the kind of turnout to beat an incumbent president generally but this president in particular. there's excitement of the democratic voters i talked to heading into 2020 and i think concerns over voter suppression in the middle of a pandemic are why you have democratic surrogates i hear from saying that they're looking to front the score in 2020. >> brianna keilar picks up the coverage right now. have a good day. >>> i'm brianna keilar and welcome viewers here in the united states and around the world. wi begin with breaking news. the governor of ohio testing positive hours befo

roger stone told his pal corsi to make it happen. ta stuff to balance the news cycle. and stone told him to have wikileaks drop those emails immediately. it was what it looked like all along. how in the world did robert mueller not know that? how are we finding out about it now? joining me now to talk about it jeffrey toobin, author of "true crimes and misdemeanors," which centers on the mueller investigations. that one line in the senate intelligence report that says kilimnik is a russian intelligence officer. for years heard ties to russian intelligence, trained by gru. that's incredible thing to include and not what mueller says. >> it's not. and i'm critical of mueller in some respects but there i'm sympathetic. intelligence community had access to intelligence, cia, that mueller did not have, it's extremely important he's identified as a russian intelligence asset. it's not because mueller didn't look, it's just that he wasn't told. but think how important it is. russian military intelligence is hacking john podesta's email and t

it is roger stone, michael flynn, gates, manafort, cohen. what does it say about the people -- >> i have no idea. >> in a culture of great lawlessness. >> there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied upon our campaign illegally. if you look at all of the things and the scandal they had they had tremendous lawlessness. i know nothing about -- i was not involved in the project. i have no why who was. >> what's your reaction right now, not only to that argument that i didn't know what was going on, but also to the fact there are so many people surrounding the president that have found themselves in hot water? >> lindsey, this reflects poorly, not only on steve bannon and mike flynn, and roger stone, and so many other trump associates who have fallen, it reflects on donald trump's judgment. who does he surround himself with? it sure looks like he surrounds himself with -- perhaps not exclusively, but largely criminals, grifters, those who would abuse power and the privilege that donald trump gave them by naming them to hig

the report determines that trump almost certainly talked to roger stone about wikileaks, and paul manafortarly met with an individual identified as a russian intelligence officer calling manafort a grave threat to counterintelligence. the it lays bear russia's role in the 2016 election. this report leaves no doubt that on instructions of mr. putin russian intelligence sought to aid the election. that the president, mr. manafort, mr. stone and several other key campaign officials lied about the affair. he goes on to say mr. putin undeterred is once again seeking to aid mr. trump in this fall's election. the senate report and the president's reaction to it leave little doubt that mr. trump will welcome any aid that moscow provides. while it seems like russia is again trying to force a trump win, the president is simply a vehicle for putin's ultimate goal of undermining american democracy. joining me to discuss that is joyce vance, an msnbc contributor. thank you for being with us. you pointed out to my producer that senate republicans have had this information for some time. they had this sa

. >> i thought the party of roger stone was ill advised, there was no advice, i think if you were to parted manafort in the special counsel, that would be unfortunate misuse of the pardon power, agitates absolute, when i see the pardon office, at least to my begin the conflict or tension which does give me so responsibility and powers to the president alone in an effort inspired by the progressive movement in the government last century to professionalize everything, the pardon office expresses an idea that there is a technical way to decide between good pardons and bad pardons, to the founders they would've seen this is an inherently political decision and we will judge whether it's right or wrong, the voters vote on trump rather than saying there's a professionally right answer and like you saw as a lawyer i don't think roger stone to violate the law and an obstruction of congress, but i don't think it's correct or incorrect answer, i think it's a political decision that the president has to hold them accountable for in an election. >> i think it's a bad decision. >> let me talk ab

we all know how that ended up for roger stone.t ended up with a conviction and then with a commutation of his sentence by the president. it will be interesting to see if bannon goes that same route. >> tom winter and joyce vance, guys, thank you so much. i know we're going to be talking more as we are able to report new developments in this investigation or series of investigations. thank you again. >> and it is a state that could prove crucial to joe biden's hopes of winning the white house. we're going to go live to milwaukee, where democrats have planned to hold their convention this week to find out how the party plans to win wisconsin back. >> the city of sturgis, south dakota, said it will administer mass coronavirus tests after a cluster of cases were tied to a massive motorcycle rally that just about every health official warned against. k. if you look close... k. jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip? ouch, okay. huh, boring, boring, you don't need to see that. oh, here we go. can you believe my client st

we've seen michael cohen, michael flynn, roger stone and others who have been arrested so bannon is yet the latest person with close ties to the president who has been charged criminally. the now, there is no allegation that this had anything to do with the white house or the president, but prosecutors say this scheme began almost as soon as it started in december of 2018 and continued right up until religious entally. kate? >> yeah. you know, i want to just, if you can stick with me, i want to keep that -- that graphic up with how many people have been charged or convicted that are linked to president trump since 2017. it's a pretty startling picture to have up on your screen. the. >>> i think we have with us cnn legal analyst pal callen. there you are, pal. tell me as you're listening to this, you've looked at this indictment. how serious are these charges? >> it's a very serious indictment. it's about 24 pages in length. it aperts a conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering in the diversion of money from a charity. i think what's interesting about it is that ban phone himself

. >> it's roger stone, michael flynn, rick gates, paul manafort, michael cohen.does it say about your judgment that these people were indicted and the culture of lawlessness -- >> there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied on our campaign illegally. if you look at all of the things and all of the scandals they had, they had tremendous lawlessness. but i know nothing about -- i was not involved in the project. >> if there was a drinking game. bannon is now one of seven trump associates from his campaign and administration who have been criminally charged in less than four years. by comparison, here is how that number stacks up against trump's predecessor, barack obama. oh, wait, 0, 0 of obama's people were indicted in his eight years as president. joining me now is glenn kirschner and kurt bardella. i'm going to ask you first, kurt, what you make of this. is it all just a grift, this xenophobia and building a wall to keep out the brown folks. is it all just a grift? >> i thought mexico was supposed to pay for the wall. why there even needs

dejoy, is your backup plan to be pardoned like roger stone? us now is congresswoman carolyn maloney, democrat from new york, and chairwoman of the house oversight and reform committee. congresswoman, thank you for being back on the show. >> thank you for inviting me and congratulations on the new addition to your life. life's greatest experience, becoming a mother. >> it is truly a gift, congresswoman, thank you. let me talk to you about the documents we have been referencing here. has the post master general as of, what, 10:25, turned those documents over to your committee yet? >> no, he has not. we have subpoenaed them for wednesday. >> you are prepared to go forward with that subpoena in, what, 24 hours do i understand that correctly? >> yes, we are. >> okay. you mention in the hearing as it relates to this document that you already have one of these requested documents from somebody else, can you elaborate or clarify that, is there a whistle-blower who has come forward to you? >> i can't go into that kind of information right now. but we d

it's very sad. >> roger stone, michael flynn, paul manafort, michael cohen.it say about your judgment -- >> well, i have no idea -- >> -- lawlessness. >> there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. they spied on our campaign illegally. if you look at all the things and all the scandals they had, they had tremendous lawlessness. i was not involved in the project. i had no idea who was. i can tell you, i didn't know -- the three people talked about were people i did not know. i don't believe i even met them. i don't think that should be a privately financed wall it's too compl complex, too big. we're now up to 300 miles, almost. in another week, week and a half we'll be up to 300 miles of wall at the highest level. they were even having construction problems. i was reading -- the little i know about it i got from you. i was reading where they were having construction problems with the wall, they had a small area just to show people they could build a wall and having a pr lot of problems where it was toppling over and a lot of things. i didn't like

i'm thinking most recently roger stone.on to believe, as you said, oftentimes these are often kept under wraps. they may be kept under wraps from the public but would a case like this have made its way up the food chain within the department of justice. >> unless the department of justice put a wall, a fire wall up, we have potential conflicts in the department of justice all the time and under those circumstances we try to put up firewalls to keep outside the prosecutorial discretion-making chain anybody who might have some kind of a personal or even professional interest in what's being investigated. with bill barr, steph, anything goes because we know he is serving as the president's defender, not so much as the voice of the people which is what an attorney general is supposed to be. so we're going to have to puzzle through this. was barr in the decision-making chain? was he outside the decision-making chain? and importantly, will he let the department of justice now sort of be a fair broker in talking with bannon's lawy

rick gates found guilty, thirst national security adviser, michael flynn, guilty, his campaign roger stone, guilty, his personal lawyer, michael cohen guilty. so the president's own new campaign manager bill steppian two weeks ago said "i think you need to judge joe biden by the people he's surrounding himself with." by that standard i think president trump is looking really, really damaged, and the last thing i'll say about this is that there's also some other breaking news out of that same court, the southern district of new york, just in the last few minutes. president trump's case against cy vance, trying to subpoena information about him has been decided against president trump as well. so this is the rule of law asserting itself, taking its time but coming back. >> for folks we are expecting to see president trump within the next hour at the white house. he has a state visit there before he departs the white house and heads up to pennsylvania, near scranton for some counter programming to the dnc tonight. there may be an opportunity for our colleague, who is representing the pool tod

. >> respectfully, sir, it's not just steve bannon, roger stone, michael cohen, what does it say about your judgment >> i have no idea. >> reporter: president trump said he knew nothing about the fund raising effort longtime ally kris kobach said the president said my project has my blessing. >> i didn't know that. i didn't know about ban non's involvement. it was something i felt was inappropriate to be doing. >> reporter: steve bannon's court hearing ended today with his attorney entering a plea of not guilty on his behalf he was released on a $5 million with restrictions against private jet or yacht travel. >>> to joe biden's big night in the middle of his third run for the white house he is now just hours away from accepting his party's nomination for president. it comes after former president obama's denunciation of president trump last night at tl convention prizes peter that's alluded him twice before, formerly accepting his party's nomination for president. the campaign playing this video tonight. >> a passionate argument, sympathetic listening, willingness to make adjustments

it's roger stone, michael flynn, paul manafort, michael cohen. what does it say about your judgment and the culture of l lawlessness -- >> there was great lawlessness by the obama administration. they spied on our campaign. they had tremendous lawlessness. i wasn't involved in the project. i have no idea who was. >> let's debunk the lie. there was no illegal spying despite bill barr saying that's what it was called. the idea that -- i mean, obama was almost famously scandal free. what is this projection? donald trump has a circle of people and it's getting closer and closer to him. he's an unindicted co-conspirator in the southern district of new york. what does that culture say to you as someone who prosecuted organizations? >> i have. donald trump speaks and acts very much like a mob boss. as with all organizations, criminal or otherwise, people take their cues from the top. what we have seen over the last three and a half years is that donald trump views the presidency as his personal piggy bank, as a vehicle for him to explore his personal in